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please keep anon as I’m not proud of some of the things written in this post :redface:

This is very long so thank you to anybody who reads.

I’m not even sure why I’m posting this. Please no preachy "drugs are bad" responses, as that means nothing to me, it will just go in one ear and out the other.... please try to understand where I’m coming from... and not judge me immediately. If drugs were so terrible I wouldn’t want to do them. They do feel good, which is why I want to do them. Yet of course there are the down sides, which is why many people have a one sided bad view of them. I know plenty of people who use drugs occasionally and definitely don’t have addiction problems, which makes me think I’m ok cos it's possible to use drugs and not abuse them. I know I’m in no danger of dying from the drugs and amounts I use, that isn’t the issue.

Anyway, I guess I’m writing this to just get some clarity on what I’m feeling.

I started using drugs (e.g. anything more than weed) 2 years ago, just pills (e) at first. Since then I’ve got into coke, ketamine, valium, mandy and various other things but I don’t take the other things on a regular basis. This doesn’t worry me really, from a health point of view. What worries me is my friends' opinions, my work, and the amount of money I’m getting through. I’ve just got back on a lot of drugs big time, I’m buying a lot and when I hand over cash I don't even feel anything. I just know I want them, so I do it.

And these past few nights I’ve been sitting on my own (or popping down the pub/hanging out with friends), doing various drugs and drinking alcohol. (Tonight just coke, valium and OTC sleeping pills). I ran out of ketamine and was craving snorting something then I ran out of coke so I snorted my valium and sleeping pills and my god they ****ing hurt. And now I’m pissed off because nobody where I live has any k at the moment... and recently it's become an every day thing. This doesn’t sound so terrible to me. I can function well on k. In fact I feel normal on it.

I’m also worried because I still have an exam left and I’ve done nothing for it, because I would prefer to talk to friends/watch TV/get off my face

I don’t want to stop. But I don’t want to **** up my life. I have to go home soon (I’m at uni at moment) and I can't be off my face at home cos my mum would go mental if she found any drugs (again)

Some of my old friends disapprove of my drug use and I can tell I’ve offended a few of them. It makes me sad. I’m still the same person. They like to get so pissed they puke or pass out, and I like to pop a few Es and have just a few drinks. Personally I don’t see there's anything wrong with my substance preferences... at least nobody has to carry me home, and I’m talkative instead of falling on the floor. I do understand why they disapprove of ketamine though, as if I do too much, when out, that does not make me a fun person... (Although it's rare that I would get ketamunted and I usually sober up quickly). I try to keep it to after clubs/an at home thing, now.

I feel like there's this massive barrier between me and my friends now because they think I’m just a druggy. I’m still their old friend. I don't understand why they think it makes me a lesser person, especially when some of them have done class As themselves. I worry they think that I think taking drugs makes me cool. I don't. I take drugs because they make me feel good, they make me have a good time. It’s nothing to do with being cool. I actually think some of my coolest friends are the ones who don’t take drugs. They know how to have a good time without being wasted. But also some of my funnest friends are the ones who love to get off their face on everything, when we just don’t care and we really go for it big time and have a scorcher of an evening.

When I’m sober I feel self conscious, I feel like there’s a parrot on my shoulder telling me how boring I am and making me worry what people thing of me. When I’m high I don’t care, other people are more interesting, and everything just seems fun.

I just don’t like reality and I want to be ****ed all the time. Sometimes I get paranoid one day I’m gonna get hooked on crack or smack. I know if someone offered me it I would find it hard to say no. I would want to try it just the one time. I have mixed feelings about it, because I really want to try everything once, and I would promise myself it would be a one off thing, but would it really? I know people who have done smack/crack the one time and not got addicted. Luckily I don’t know anyone who would deal hard drugs like that, and I’m not about to go wondering the dodgy streets of my city at night looking for those kinds of dealers. So I won’t ever have to make that decision. Hopefully.

I know I don’t want to stop altogether. I don’t even want to tone it down a bit. But I think I might have to... cos if it escalates and I get a real problem, you kind of have to go completely clean... cos drugs become something you have NO control over... and then it’s all or nothing… I don’t even know how to slow down. Maybe I need to be strict with myself not to do any drugs on my own, just keep it to when I go out. But I know when I finally do get hold of the k, that’s all I’ll want to do, and I don’t want to do it when I’m out in case I make a fool of myself or make people think I’m a ketamunter.

Ohh I don’t know… I guess I just needed a rant…

Thanks for reading... :smile:

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Reply 1

u must either be rich, or broke at that.

Reply 2

Why don't you try talking to Frank?

It must be hard getting over addiction, but you have to try, the drugs could kill you. Your friends are just trying to help you. What about just smoking weed for a while?

Good luck with whatever you choose to do :smile:

Reply 3

Drugs are great.

Reply 4

I'm using my savings, my holiday earnings and my student loan... I'll probably be in as much debt as most students when they leave uni because I work a lot during the hols and i don't spend money on things like cars, holidays (actually i have booked some exepsnie festivals/days out this hols :s-smilie: ) ... maybe I will be in more debt than most but it will be manageable...

Reply 5

From what you have said, it sounds like you are already getting the begginings of a problem.
You say that you cannot function without snorting Ketamine, and if its getting in the way of normal life then you do have a serious problem.

There is only one way out of the downward spiral and that really is to stop using altogether.
Its just not worth letting something like this take over your life - and it does sound like it is taking over both your home and night life.

I really apologise if I sound preachy...
I'm not even tough on drugs! Just sounds like its actually getting in the way of you functioning normally.

Reply 6

nuttygirl
Why don't you try talking to Frank?

It must be hard getting over addiction, but you have to try, the drugs could kill you. Your friends are just trying to help you. What about just smoking weed for a while?

Good luck with whatever you choose to do :smile:


i could try taking to frank but i get the feeling the response would be "stop taking drugs and go to bed". that would mean nothing to me, i would just ignore it.

maybe my friends are just worried... but the thing is i feel good when im on drugs... i dont even think i'm addicted. maybe im a bit addicted to ketamine, but the other drugs i can cope without. actuallly the prospect of no valium is getting to be a scary thought for me and ive only just got back on that.

thanks for the suggestion of weed, but i dont enjoy it much. a few tokes and it makes me paranoid/feel sick. sometimes i have a few tokes of a good spliff and i get giggly, but that's rare. i've seen people properly **** up their lives on weed when it becomes a day in, day out thing, and they have no motivation for anything else.

anyway, thanks for the response

Reply 7

I dont really know what you want from this so I'm just making a few observations.

-If you're doing drugs everyday then you arent the same person you used to be. You say yourself that you act differently when you take them, and this basically does make you a different person. It also means that when you havent taken anything, you're looking to take something and that's bound to change how you are too.

-You seem aware of the problem of addiction but it doesnt seem like you realise that you're addicted yourself? But your need to get ketamine now and the fact you're using everyday makes it seem like you are.

-Drugs wont kill the parrot on your shoulder. He'll still be there when you sober up. Infact I'd say the drugs are feeding the parrot and giving him ammunition. You need to sort out your reality another way.

-You can't go like this forever. When does it stop? What are you going to have left when you stop? I hope you have other friends that dont do drugs or you'll end up quitting and not having anyone.

-Please be careful taking lots of things at the same time :smile:

Reply 8

mollymustard
From what you have said, it sounds like you are already getting the begginings of a problem.
You say that you cannot function without snorting Ketamine, and if its getting in the way of normal life then you do have a serious problem.

There is only one way out of the downward spiral and that really is to stop using altogether.
Its just not worth letting something like this take over your life - and it does sound like it is taking over both your home and night life.

I really apologise if I sound preachy...
I'm not even tough on drugs! Just sounds like its actually getting in the way of you functioning normally.


you dont sound preachy, it's your opinion.:smile:

i can function without it. there;s been times when i would literally sniff a gram a day. i'm not like that at the moment. and i can always function without it. ketamine isnt physically addictive (but very psychologically addictive). so i dont get physical withdrawals... it's just like a constant nagging want. when i go back home i pretty much have to go almost clean, as i can't do it at home unless late at night in my room (cos of mum) and i don't want to piss my friends off if i go out.

Reply 9

So you're addicted to the drugs, you're going into debt just to afford them, and you're losing all your friends as a result, and you don't it's the drugs that's the problem? You yourself wrote that you "need" a fix and that you feel nothing when you give away loads of money to get it. You admit that drugs are ruining your relationship with your friends. It's not a matter of drugs being good or bad; it's the fact that they WILL ruin your life. Sure, not everyone gets addicted, but a large portion do, especially when they take as many drugs and take them as often as you do. The fact that they make you feel good doesn't really say much. What would you say about a person who got drunk alone every night? You'd probably call him an alcoholic. How's your situation different? I'm not trying to morally judge you, but you have to realize that taking all these drugs will affect your social life, will probably affect your mental state in the long run, and have a high chance of screwing up your economic prospects.

Anonymous
you dont sound preachy, it's your opinion.:smile:

i can function without it. there;s been times when i would literally sniff a gram a day. i'm not like that at the moment. and i can always function without it. ketamine isnt physically addictive (but very psychologically addictive). so i dont get physical withdrawals... it's just like a constant nagging want. when i go back home i pretty much have to go almost clean, as i can't do it at home unless late at night in my room (cos of mum) and i don't want to piss my friends off if i go out.


Do you deny that you've gotten to a point where you can't enjoy yourself without taking drugs?

Reply 10

I used to take drugs - weed, pills/mdma and psychedelics mostly. I tried ket but wasn't really too struck at it. Anyway I did mescaline twice, shrooms once and acid once - they were incredibly fun and I would consider doing them again, but nor for a long long time.

Anyway I had a terrifying experience with some nasty pills with piperazines in them. Really horrible, contributed to anxiety issues that I've mostly managed to conquer (I've always had anxiety to some extent - maybe why I did drugs in the first place?).

If you feel you want to stop then stop - I know it sounds kinda stupid but the only way to stop taking drugs is to stop buying them. If you think you can carry on then that's totally your decision, but I can say that at least taking a brake will do a lot of good.

Reply 11

Saffie
I dont really know what you want from this so I'm just making a few observations.

-If you're doing drugs everyday then you arent the same person you used to be. You say yourself that you act differently when you take them, and this basically does make you a different person. It also means that when you havent taken anything, you're looking to take something and that's bound to change how you are too.
god, that is true. but mainly i am the same person. its just like when they drink, they are different people...

-You seem aware of the problem of addiction but it doesnt seem like you realise that you're addicted yourself? But your need to get ketamine now and the fact you're using everyday makes it seem like you are.
yeah... :s-smilie: i have mixed feelings about this. maybe it;s just a phase and when i go home i'll settle down... ive been through phases before, then i lay off for a while...

-Drugs wont kill the parrot on your shoulder. He'll still be there when you sober up. Infact I'd say the drugs are feeding the parrot and giving him ammunition. You need to sort out your reality another way.
again, valid point.

-You can't go like this forever. When does it stop? What are you going to have left when you stop? I hope you have other friends that dont do drugs or you'll end up quitting and not having anyone.

-Please be careful taking lots of things at the same time :smile:
thank you... i am :smile:


thanks for your considered reply. you do make sense. i see that.

i do have a lot of friends who dont take drugs. also, all of my friends that do take drugs would still wanna hang out with me if i just went out with them and had a few drinks while they did whatever. i never feel any peer pressure from any of my friends. they accept me for who i am. in fact i'd say on a night out it's more likely that i would be taking stuff and my drug-like friends would be laying off it a bit.

this is twisted, and i do try to avoid it, and sometims i get sucked in and do stuff before i realise how pathetic i am, but... in a way people think it's funny. that i could sniff a line of X length and still be standing. that i could take X number of pills and not be gurning my tits off. it's a laugh. its like "oh ___, you're such a mess! but a funny mess!" :redface: i hope you dont all think i'm a saddo now. oh well, at least i'm anon.

Reply 12

I don't want to sound preachy (and you asked us not to be). But you are starting to get addicted...

You've mentioned that you're taking more and more drugs (tonight it was "only" 2 types of illegal drugs, sleeping pills and alcohol). That's more than I would expect people with the beginnings of a problem to do in a week, especially because it implies you are doing at least that on a daily basis.

You may feel fine now, but the more drugs you do, the more you will change. But you probably won't notice it yourself because it is so gradual (the amount of times I read about / hear about addicts / former addicts who are "I didn't notice I'd changed that dramatically..." is suprisingly common).
I don't want to say it, but it's likely your friends have noticed a change in you - especially since they haven't seen you for a while. Any change would be more noticable after time apart.
I've had friends who have started smoking weed or drinking regularly or just "hanging out" with people who did drugs regularly. They are (well, were - I don't see them much anymore) adament they have not changed at all, but they had. A lot.

You say you don't want to get off of them, that they make you feel good.
But is that "good" really outweighing the costs financially, on your health (mental and physical), and a shorter lifespan. I honestly don't think so.

I will be honest and say my viewpoint IS biased - I have never done drugs and never had the inclination to. However, I do honestly believe that they have a bad stigma for a reason.

If you don't want to cut down / try and sort it out for yourself, then don't. But think about the affect it will take on your family and friends if you start borrowing off of them / get into a lot of debt. Or the worse affect it'd have if you did get ill from it (mixing drugs with other drugs / alcohol is NEVER a good idea anyways...) or even die.

Sorry if that did come across preachy, but no matter what you think drugs don't just affect you. It affects so many other people around you.

But at the end of the day, it is your life and no-one on the internet can change your mind if you're stuck in your believes that you are fine and the drugs aren't taking over (no matter how much your original post indicates otherwise).

xxx

P.S. (Some) Drugs can still affect you even after you've stopped and "recovered" from them... My friend's parent's friend did LSD once and had a flashback 30 years later while driving. Needless to say he crashed his car and died....

Reply 13

Anonymous
I used to take drugs - weed, pills/mdma and psychedelics mostly. I tried ket but wasn't really too struck at it. Anyway I did mescaline twice, shrooms once and acid once - they were incredibly fun and I would consider doing them again, but nor for a long long time.

Anyway I had a terrifying experience with some nasty pills with piperazines in them. Really horrible, contributed to anxiety issues that I've mostly managed to conquer (I've always had anxiety to some extent - maybe why I did drugs in the first place?).

If you feel you want to stop then stop - I know it sounds kinda stupid but the only way to stop taking drugs is to stop buying them. If you think you can carry on then that's totally your decision, but I can say that at least taking a brake will do a lot of good.


ive tried some of those psychadelics too. fun, but only in the right places... e.g. not normal club nights! more like raves/squat parties/free parties.

i'm sorry to hear you had a bad experience, well done for conquering your anxiety issues

i am going to consider taking a break. i turned down buying coke today even though i'm running out.

Reply 14

Bismarck
So you're addicted to the drugs, you're going into debt just to afford them, and you're losing all your friends as a result, and you don't it's the drugs that's the problem? You yourself wrote that you "need" a fix and that you feel nothing when you give away loads of money to get it. You admit that drugs are ruining your relationship with your friends. It's not a matter of drugs being good or bad; it's the fact that they WILL ruin your life. Sure, not everyone gets addicted, but a large portion do, especially when they take as many drugs and take them as often as you do. The fact that they make you feel good doesn't really say much. What would you say about a person who got drunk alone every night? You'd probably call him an alcoholic. How's your situation different? I'm not trying to morally judge you, but you have to realize that taking all these drugs will affect your social life, will probably affect your mental state in the long run, and have a high chance of screwing up your economic prospects.



Do you deny that you've gotten to a point where you can't enjoy yourself without taking drugs?[
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:s-smilie: i dont know. at the moment its just what i want to do.

i havent lost all my friends, i just feel like things are weird with my friends back home. just like they're a little disappointed in me, or they think i;m a bit pathetic. i still go out and have a good time with them, i just try to keep my drug use to a minimum around them as i know they disapprove and i dont want to offend them.

bismarck, is your name from otto von bismarck?

Reply 15

one, stuff like LSD, weed, shrooms are so incredibly different from stuff like coke, valium, e's that I don't even know where to start. So I won't. It's well documented, really.

two, if you're gonna do drugs, you have to be prepared to lose friends. people WILL look down on you for it, even if you only did them on a single occasion. it's just a fact of life. some people are closed minded like that. **** them, you don't need them.

three, contrary to what I just said...you do actually have a problem. you seem to be sitting on the fence on accepting you have a problem here. stop trying to rationalise your bad decisions and cut back. drugs are okay, drug addiction is not.

four, I typed that pretty much off the top of my head and I'm incredibly tired, apologies if it's not particularly articulate or well structured

EDIT: also, I'm not sure if you're the kind of person who should be taking drugs. the kind of person who should take drugs is confident, secure, and basically just doing it for a laugh. you sound to me like the polar opposite of that. basically, incredibly at risk of addiction.

Reply 16

Somebody
I don't want to sound preachy (and you asked us not to be). But you are starting to get addicted...

You've mentioned that you're taking more and more drugs (tonight it was "only" 2 types of illegal drugs, sleeping pills and alcohol). That's more than I would expect people with the beginnings of a problem to do in a week, especially because it implies you are doing at least that on a daily basis.

You may feel fine now, but the more drugs you do, the more you will change. But you probably won't notice it yourself because it is so gradual (the amount of times I read about / hear about addicts / former addicts who are "I didn't notice I'd changed that dramatically..." is suprisingly common).
I don't want to say it, but it's likely your friends have noticed a change in you - especially since they haven't seen you for a while. Any change would be more noticable after time apart.
I've had friends who have started smoking weed or drinking regularly or just "hanging out" with people who did drugs regularly. They are (well, were - I don't see them much anymore) adament they have not changed at all, but they had. A lot.

You say you don't want to get off of them, that they make you feel good.
But is that "good" really outweighing the costs financially, on your health (mental and physical), and a shorter lifespan. I honestly don't think so.

I will be honest and say my viewpoint IS biased - I have never done drugs and never had the inclination to. However, I do honestly believe that they have a bad stigma for a reason.

If you don't want to cut down / try and sort it out for yourself, then don't. But think about the affect it will take on your family and friends if you start borrowing off of them / get into a lot of debt. Or the worse affect it'd have if you did get ill from it (mixing drugs with other drugs / alcohol is NEVER a good idea anyways...) or even die.

Sorry if that did come across preachy, but no matter what you think drugs don't just affect you. It affects so many other people around you.

But at the end of the day, it is your life and no-one on the internet can change your mind if you're stuck in your believes that you are fine and the drugs aren't taking over (no matter how much your original post indicates otherwise).

xxx

P.S. (Some) Drugs can still affect you even after you've stopped and "recovered" from them... My friend's parent's friend did LSD once and had a flashback 30 years later while driving. Needless to say he crashed his car and died....


you really put a lot of thought into that, i'm touched, as i'm only a stranger to you.

about the money... i would never borrow of friends or family to fund my habit. i'm able to buy the amounts i can because of my loan, savings and earnings. i wont let myself dig into my real savings.

maybe i have changed a lot. but that's also lifestyle circumstances. i've started going to different clubs, listening to different music, liking different clothes, having different friends... but change is inevitable when you go to uni. if i'm honest i was absolutely miserable in 6th form. i had a lot of mental health issues, and i feel i'm a lot happier in general now. also i felt my freinds from school were quite unsupportive during that time, perhaps because i couldnt open up to them, perhaps because they couldnt understand me, perhaps because they couldnt be bothered with asking me about my issues. so who are they to say that i've changed, when i was so miserable back then anyway?

although some days i do feel worried about myself, and depressed that the high point of my day is sticking something up my nose. and i worry its not enough, that it doesnt make me happy anyway... its kind of lost its magic...

Reply 17

Somebody

P.S. (Some) Drugs can still affect you even after you've stopped and "recovered" from them... My friend's parent's friend did LSD once and had a flashback 30 years later while driving. Needless to say he crashed his car and died....


alright, seriously. your logic in the rest of that post was atleast debatably decent, and you obviously have positive intent at the very least...but..

seriously? that's the silliest anti-drugs argument I've ever heard my life. tantamount to telling the guy never to leave the house because he might get struck by lightning.

Reply 18

Anonymous
:s-smilie: i dont know. at the moment its just what i want to do.

i havent lost all my friends, i just feel like things are weird with my friends back home. just like they're a little disappointed in me, or they think i;m a bit pathetic. i still go out and have a good time with them, i just try to keep my drug use to a minimum around them as i know they disapprove and i dont want to offend them.

bismarck, is your name from otto von bismarck?


Even if we were to assume that you're not addicted to drugs, don't you think there's something wrong with gaining all your pleasure from taking drugs? You didn't answer my question by the way. What would you call someone who sat at home most nights getting drunk alone? If you really think you're in control, how about not taking any drugs for a month and seeing how you feel afterwards? And remember that your friends only want what's best for you. Even if you haven't noticed a change in your personality, your friends might have. Just sleep on it.

Yep.

Reply 19

HawkAhriman
one, stuff like LSD, weed, shrooms are so incredibly different from stuff like coke, valium, e's that I don't even know where to start. So I won't. It's well documented, really.

two, if you're gonna do drugs, you have to be prepared to lose friends. people WILL look down on you for it, even if you only did them on a single occasion. it's just a fact of life. some people are closed minded like that. **** them, you don't need them.
thanks. most of my friends do accept it and just do the old "tut tut" if i get off my face some time.

three, contrary to what I just said...you do actually have a problem. you seem to be sitting on the fence on accepting you have a problem here. stop trying to rationalise your bad decisions and cut back. drugs are okay, drug addiction is not.
yeah... maybe... >.< i think i need to take a good long hard look at myself... i guess this is what i was trying to do with this thread

four, I typed that pretty much off the top of my head and I'm incredibly tired, apologies if it's not particularly articulate or well structured

EDIT: also, I'm not sure if you're the kind of person who should be taking drugs. the kind of person who should take drugs is confident, secure, and basically just doing it for a laugh. you sound to me like the polar opposite of that. basically, incredibly at risk of addiction.

yes, i do have an addictive personality. whether it;s a tv show, a band, a coping mechanism or whatever, i get obsessed with things. i do do drugs for a laugh and when i do them i feel confident. mostly. i mean i would say the Es and my drinking are for a laugh... yes, they are kind of a way to get rid of that "parrot on my shoulder" but they are something i only do as a sociable thing. at east when i first started it was purely a fun-i-wanna-be-off-my-face and having a blast kind of thing. maybe now it has become because i;m insecure if i dont take them. the ketamine/valium is something i worry about more as being an actual problem, since i do them alone...


you seem to know what you're talking about...:smile: