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M550 – Epilepsy Motion 2019, TSR Liberal Democrats
The House recognises the passing of National Epilepsy Week recently, and as such calls on the government to do more for the children and adults who have epilepsy in this country.

Specifically there is a need for First Aid Education to be implemented in schools, including how to help people with epilepsy during times of seizure. The house calls upon the Department for Education to recognise the need for greater awareness of issues surrounding epilepsy, and believes that implementation of more detailed first aid education across primary and secondary sectors will improve the lives of people with epilepsy within society.
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As if enough time isn't wasted at school already
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A pointless motion that amounts to nothing more than virtue signalling. Nay.
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I was under the impression people working in schools had first aid training.
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I was under the impression people working in schools had first aid training.
There is at least one staff member who is first aid trained yes. This isn't specific to addressing cases of epileptic fits within schools, this is educating pupils so that they will go on to be able to respond appropriately should this happen in public or with their friends/family.
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Anyone who learns first aid in school learns how to deal with epileptic seizures anyway I would think. I've learnt about dealing with seizures more times than I can count anyway.
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Nay; if anything mental health is a more widespread, and immediately concerning issue, which has received additional attention this week; all new teachers will receive mental health training. The status quo in terms of first aid (for epilepsy) is appropriate.
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Anyone who learns first aid in school learns how to deal with epileptic seizures anyway I would think. I've learnt about dealing with seizures more times than I can count anyway.
That certainly wasn't the case during my schooling.
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Nothing about the lack of neurology consultants to look after patients with epilepsy? OK...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-42112513
https://www.bmj.com/content/350/bmj.h3284
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...ment-1-4712446
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Nay; if anything mental health is a more widespread, and immediately concerning issue, which has received additional attention this week; all new teachers will receive mental health training. The status quo in terms of first aid (for epilepsy) is appropriate.
Again, this isn't about training staff, but students. How do you plan on providing students with Mental Health training if you believe it to be more important?

And while Mental Health is certainly a widespread problem the extent of which we don't yet know!

Epilepsy isn't rare; there's at least 600,000 people with Epilepsy living in the UK ( https://www.epilepsy.org.uk/press/facts ) and there is an increased risk of death for those with Epilepsy. The term SUDEP (Suddden Unexpected Death in Epilepsy) is used to describe when "someone with Epilepsy dies and no obvious cause of death can be found". Also, an average of one child in every primary school and 5 in every secondary school will be diagnosed with Epilepsy (see link for source).
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Agree with the details and spirit of the motion, but would like more about the need for more doctors specialising in neurological matters.
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Not sure really what this can do?

Yes epilepsy is of course an issue that needs awareness but there isn't really enough time in school to fit it in.
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There is at least one staff member who is first aid trained yes. This isn't specific to addressing cases of epileptic fits within schools, this is educating pupils so that they will go on to be able to respond appropriately should this happen in public or with their friends/family.
Epilepsy, something that affects only 1% of the population with this heavily weighted in favour of the old meaning immediately you're looking at a minority of people with epileptics within their close family/friends. Half with epilepsy are seizure free which cuts the odds of even having somebody close who could have a fit even further, and nearly half again of those who are not seizure free possibly being seizure free with correct treatment. Take the lot together and you're looking at about a 1/300 of having epilepsy which causes seizures if medicated for correctly.

Of course now things get fun because we now make a reasonable assumption (imo) that close family is looking, at most, at about half a dozen, and the same again for close friends we get about a dozen people within your friends/family group or only a 4%chance of having somebody close to you that could have a seizure, in other words you're looking at only one or two people per class.

That's all without considering seizure frequencies, where and when they are most likely to occur (which of course has an impact on the usefulness of the suggestion, if they tend to be at 2am in bed them it is of little use bar first seizure), or how they manifest. We're justifying significant cost, both in time (which schools lack) and money (which we keep hearing they lack) for something that is useful for 1 in 300 and useful to just a few percent (maybe)
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This motion has been withdrawn.
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