Tory Mp, Mark Field, facing calls to be sacked after grabbing protestor by neck. Watch

ThomH97
Badges: 21
Rep:
?
#41
Report 3 weeks ago
#41
(Original post by TS33)
I think it was kind of out of order to grab her by her neck but I still agree with what he did. After all, you must be thick if you think you can gate crash a dinner without being escorted out in a harsh manner
How would you have done it? I guess he could have waited until she was past then grab her by the arm to drag her back, but using his bodyweight and the pillar to block her progress is much more effective.
(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
I suspect he wouldn't have been quite so willing to get stuck in had it been a male protester.
What does that mean? When alone (as security seem to have done here), he'll defend against threats he thinks he's strong enough to deal with alone? That seems a reasonable attitude to have.

Field's the one who (amongst other memorable things) advocated a brutal clearance of the homeless protests at St Pauls and wanted to stop enquiries into MPs expenses. Lovely man.
Perhaps, but not really relevant to whether his actions last night were acceptable or not.
(Original post by fallen_acorns)
she got exactly what she wanted... A hero of the protest I imagine, huge national coverage.

Good on the MP though, as a nation we shouldn't be so terrified of taking charge and authority - they came in to disrupt the event, it should be perfectly acceptable for the people in the event to tell them to **** off, and use reasonable force to make it happen. Rather then just sitting there and letting them disrupt the event.

Was it reasonable force.. its very borderline, but I would just about air on the side of yes..

(He may not have gotten as much flack if his face didn't look like he was enjoying it so much...)
Yeah, I think it was reasonable force. I don't know how hard he was squeezing her neck as he pushed her out, but definitely the rest was fine.
(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
No ordinary man, even an MP, has the right to grab women by their throats and slam them against walls without the least offer of violence or threat. I hope Greenpeace sue him privately for assault if he doesn't incur an official prosecution, as that's what it was. His excuse that he feared violence is total spin and hokum, the plain result of a post-action legal consultation and a smart alec Barista, er, Barrister.
(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
So your opinion is that peaceful political protest should be met with neck grabs and body slams?

Would it be more convenient for the folks thinking this kind of thing is OK to simply hand over to Fascism right away, rather than waste time on the middle bit with swaggering storm troopers and street battles?
I thought it was her chest, arm and shoulder initially, then the back of her neck at the end - not her throat and no choking. 'Slam' is an exaggeration too - a definite push.

There are two issues here I guess. One is how long do you let an aggressive potential threat develop in a situation like this before intervening, and what level of confrontation/force/violence is acceptable at the point of your intervention?
0
reply
TS33
Badges: 19
#42
Report 3 weeks ago
#42
(Original post by ThomH97)
How would you have done it? I guess he could have waited until she was past then grab her by the arm to drag her back, but using his bodyweight and the pillar to block her progress is much more effective.

What does that mean? When alone (as security seem to have done here), he'll defend against threats he thinks he's strong enough to deal with alone? That seems a reasonable attitude to have.


Perhaps, but not really relevant to whether his actions last night were acceptable or not.

Yeah, I think it was reasonable force. I don't know how hard he was squeezing her neck as he pushed her out, but definitely the rest was fine.



I thought it was her chest, arm and shoulder initially, then the back of her neck at the end - not her throat and no choking. 'Slam' is an exaggeration too - a definite push.

There are two issues here I guess. One is how long do you let an aggressive potential threat develop in a situation like this before intervening, and what level of confrontation/force/violence is acceptable at the point of your intervention?
I would've grabbed her arm
0
reply
Fullofsurprises
Badges: 20
Rep:
?
#43
Report 3 weeks ago
#43
(Original post by fallen_acorns)
I agree with you on his excuses, they are rubbish. He got angry, and lost control - any explanation beyond that is just digging himself a deeper hole because we can all clearly see what happened. No one would suspect her of being armed or violent.

Where I disagree, is that I don't like the idea that we are so affraid of contfontations and having to take authority and action, that we have a room full of suposidly powerful leaders, who when confronted with a group barging into their event, are so frozen by fear that they have to sit quitely and politly and let the other people disrupt their private event until the police arrives. I think we should be able to live in a society where if you are having a private event, and people are trying to activly disrupt it and cause trouble, you should be able to take reasonable action without needing the police.

In this case, I say its borderline because I think the push into the column was unnecessary.. him forcibly evicting her from the room I think is perfectly fine.
All events like this at a high level have security and organisational staff with a duty to patrol for incidents. This is a case of an arrogant male Tory not waiting for the proper authorities but instead taking it on himself to violently restrain a peaceful female protester about half his size and weight.
0
reply
ThomH97
Badges: 21
Rep:
?
#44
Report 3 weeks ago
#44
(Original post by TS33)
I would've grabbed her arm
I think that would have been the better option politically (i.e. he wouldn't have been criticised so much, and possibly not even been suspended), providing he could maintain the grip. But I wouldn't fault him for choosing the more effective and likely to succeed method. You can stop a lot more force with your own body weight and the help of a pillar than you can relying on your grip and them not twisting and jerking out of it.
0
reply
san_cisco
Badges: 11
Rep:
?
#45
Report 3 weeks ago
#45
he should have let security/police handle it - that's their job.
Posted on the TSR App. Download from Apple or Google Play
1
reply
TS33
Badges: 19
#46
Report 3 weeks ago
#46
(Original post by ThomH97)
I think that would have been the better option politically (i.e. he wouldn't have been criticised so much, and possibly not even been suspended), providing he could maintain the grip. But I wouldn't fault him for choosing the more effective and likely to succeed method. You can stop a lot more force with your own body weight and the help of a pillar than you can relying on your grip and them not twisting and jerking out of it.
Lol I'm sure he could have stopped her by grabbing her arm anyway, he looks much more stronger than her and she was wearing a dress which restricts her ability to run.
0
reply
TS33
Badges: 19
#47
Report 3 weeks ago
#47
(Original post by san_cisco)
he should have let security/police handle it - that's their job.
Nah by grabbing her he ended whatever nonsense she was planning to do
0
reply
Andrew97
Badges: 20
Rep:
?
#48
Report Thread starter 3 weeks ago
#48
(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
All events like this at a high level have security and organisational staff with a duty to patrol for incidents. This is a case of an arrogant male Tory not waiting for the proper authorities but instead taking it on himself to violently restrain a peaceful female protester about half his size and weight.
Your main issue seems to be his gender and political leanings...
2
reply
ThomH97
Badges: 21
Rep:
?
#49
Report 3 weeks ago
#49
(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
All events like this at a high level have security and organisational staff with a duty to patrol for incidents. This is a case of an arrogant male Tory not waiting for the proper authorities but instead taking it on himself to violently restrain a peaceful female protester about half his size and weight.
What if the security aren't there?

I'm also not sure why their relative sizes count against him - should tiny people be allowed to commit whatever crime they like because there isn't anyone of comparable size to stop them? Their relative size and weight made him capable of stopping a threat that had slipped by security. I don't see how that becomes a reason to not step in.
0
reply
Notoriety
Badges: 21
Rep:
?
#50
Report 3 weeks ago
#50
Chat **** get banged.

Not even this is true any more.
0
reply
ThomH97
Badges: 21
Rep:
?
#51
Report 3 weeks ago
#51
(Original post by san_cisco)
he should have let security/police handle it - that's their job.
Which they evidently failed at. What should people do in those instances?
(Original post by TS33)
Lol I'm sure he could have stopped her by grabbing her arm anyway, he looks much more stronger than her and she was wearing a dress which restricts her ability to run.
Yeah, quite probably.
0
reply
AperfectBalance
Badges: 21
Rep:
?
#52
Report 3 weeks ago
#52
(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
Advocating violence against peaceful women who are loud, basically.
It isnt very peaceful to barge in to someones private event to basically set up your own little show because "im peaceful". and it was hardly much violence, if he had began punching her in the face that might be a bit too much, but ti should never have got to that point since the security should have dragged her out far sooner.
0
reply
999tigger
Badges: 19
#53
Report 3 weeks ago
#53
(Original post by san_cisco)
he should have let security/police handle it - that's their job.
Except they werent there and she was heading towards the chancellor.
0
reply
san_cisco
Badges: 11
Rep:
?
#54
Report 3 weeks ago
#54
(Original post by TS33)
Nah by grabbing her he ended whatever nonsense she was planning to do
I hope she wasn't planning to harm him or else it contradicts their whole philosophy.
Posted on the TSR App. Download from Apple or Google Play
0
reply
toronto353
  • Political Ambassador
Badges: 19
Rep:
?
#55
Report 3 weeks ago
#55
I fully support Mark Field here. In an atmosphere as febrile as that of the UK at the moment, it was an extremely stupid stunt for the protesters to pull and I can understand how he feared for his safety and that of others with the horns blaring. My question is where were security and how did they get in in the first place?
1
reply
Andrew97
Badges: 20
Rep:
?
#56
Report Thread starter 3 weeks ago
#56
In
(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
I suspect he wouldn't have been quite so willing to get stuck in had it been a male protester.

Field's the one who (amongst other memorable things) advocated a brutal clearance of the homeless protests at St Pauls and wanted to stop enquiries into MPs expenses. Lovely man.
You mean he wanted to keep St Paul’s, A landmark in his constituency undisrupted?
0
reply
The Mogg
Badges: 16
Rep:
?
#57
Report 3 weeks ago
#57
If there's one thing I've learnt from this thread, it's that from now on if an intruder comes into my house I'll just let them be. Because even if someone enters where they shouldn't be, it doesn't give you the right to get them out
0
reply
the beer
Badges: 11
Rep:
?
#58
Report 3 weeks ago
#58
(Original post by The Mogg)
If there's one thing I've learnt from this thread, it's that from now on if an intruder comes into my house I'll just let them be. Because even if someone enters where they shouldn't be, it doesn't give you the right to get them out
Really? Most seem to think it's fine. I've just removed implied consent for Tory canvassers and was getting some chokeslam practice in.
Last edited by the beer; 3 weeks ago
0
reply
Plagioclase
Badges: 21
Rep:
?
#59
Report 3 weeks ago
#59
Absolutely shocking how many of you nutters are happy to excuse literal assault (by someone in public office no less) just because you find protesters annoying. There is absolutely no way that any sane individuals in that room would have thought that these protesters were a safety threat. Why are there so many fascists on TSR these days?
Last edited by Plagioclase; 3 weeks ago
5
reply
Surnia
Badges: 13
Rep:
?
#60
Report 3 weeks ago
#60
(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
(1) That was male on male. (2) Did you grab him in a neck hold and slam him against a wall?
(1) What was male on male? I'm female! I know some restraint techniques, collars can be good, and would have used a wall if there had been one.

(2) The protestor was held by her neck, hardly a choke hold; it was a couple of seconds, it's not enough or in a place to stop her heart and it gives you control. And she wasn't slammed, she was pushed by one hand by someone who was sitting down at first, it just so happened that a pillar was there. If not, she could have fallen on the floor; would that be different in your view? Strange how you ignore the parts about was Mark Field supposed to do when there is what could be an armed trespasser in his vicinity. What difference does it make that it'a a female protester? Aren't they capable of carrying a knife or acid or committing violence?
1
reply
X

Quick Reply

Attached files
Write a reply...
Reply
new posts
Latest
My Feed

See more of what you like on
The Student Room

You can personalise what you see on TSR. Tell us a little about yourself to get started.

Personalise

Are you tempted to change your firm university choice now or on A-level results day?

Yes, I'll try and go to a uni higher up the league tables (122)
19.55%
Yes, there is a uni that I prefer and I'll fit in better (58)
9.29%
No I am happy with my course choice (352)
56.41%
I'm using Clearing when I have my exam results (92)
14.74%

Watched Threads

View All