Iran summons UK ambassador over 'seizure' of super tanker Grace-1 Watch

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(Original post by Palmyra)
Usual posters here with their usual talking points.


UK trying to show they can be the US' best and most loyal puppet. Shades of Iraq...
Not really. You are the least objective of all.
You were delighted the drone had been shot down.
If it was in Iranian airspace, then thats their right.

Same case here, if it was in EU waters, then they are perfectly entitled to enforce EU sanctions. If there is no evidence it will soon be released.
You just want it both ways.
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It was to do with EU sanctions, not US ones...
Conspiracy I think. British arent capable of tracking a tanker. If there is no evidence it will be released. Sure the lawyers are onto it.
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Shipmate, you can track the tanker yourself if you want: https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais...vessel:GRACE_1
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Conspiracy I think. British arent capable of tracking a tanker. If there is no evidence it will be released. Sure the lawyers are onto it.
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Shipmate, you can track the tanker yourself if you want: https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais...vessel:GRACE_1
Very clever. Ofc the site could be a US/UK Western conspiracy.

Again the questions are:

1. Was it in EU Waters?
2. Were there EU sanctions to enforce?
3. Do they have evidence the ship was breaking those sanctions?

If not potentially unlawful and will be released.
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The Royal Marines boarded an oil tanker at the request of the Government of Gibraltar based on intelligence that the tanker was breaking EU sanctions.

As reported by the BBC:

"The EU says the facility therefore provides financial support to the Syrian government, which is subject to sanctions because of its repression of civilians since the start of the uprising against President Bashar al-Assad in 2011."
I know... i did make the thread?
(Original post by Andrew97)
It was to do with EU sanctions, not US ones...
Nominally. However, the point one was making was that it was apparently a helpful nudge from the US that set the thing in motion.
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I believe the technical term here is theft... Although considering they landed a detachment of Marines on the thing the Iranian epithet of piracy wouldn't be far off.
Why we continue to do the bidding of a crack pot like Bolton is utterly beyond me.


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-48871462
try again - enforcing EU sanctions, allegedly using US intelligence (intel sharing is not new), went all the way around the Horn of Africa to reach the Mediterranean and extremely likely to Syria, so not surprised, Iran needs to get its act together.

They will of course review the situation, and if there is reasonable evidence to give proof to these likely suspicions,
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try again - enforcing EU sanctions, allegedly using US intelligence (intel sharing is not new), went all the way around the Horn of Africa to reach the Mediterranean and extremely likely to Syria, so not surprised, Iran needs to get its act together
Try what again?
I have absolutely no idea what point you're attempting to make when you say 'Iran needs to get its act together' ... heaven forbid it try and sell its oil :rolleyes:
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Try what again?
I have absolutely no idea what point you're attempting to make when you say 'Iran needs to get its act together' ... heaven forbid it try and sell its oil :rolleyes:
The whole point is that it was believed to bound to Syria, against EU sanctions so was detained, will review situation and if there is enough evidence, will be detained/released, don't know why this is so triggering
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The whole point is that it was believed to bound to Syria, against EU sanctions so was detained, will review situation and if there is enough evidence, will be detained/released, don't know why this is so triggering
Why are you repeating the article at me?
And what on earth are you on about triggers for?
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Why are you repeating the article at me?
And what on earth are you on about triggers for?
If you read the article, and understand the situation, why is wrong to detain a ship that has more than reasonable doubt to be bypassing EU sanctions, of which we are a part of, using normal US intel sharing, i.e. the point of the thread???
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It could indeed. Good job there are lots of other sites that do the same job.

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
(Original post by 999tigger)
Very clever. Ofc the site could be a US/UK Western conspiracy.

Again the questions are:

1. Was it in EU Waters?
2. Were there EU sanctions to enforce?
3. Do they have evidence the ship was breaking those sanctions?

If not potentially unlawful and will be released.
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Why are you repeating the article at me?
And what on earth are you on about triggers for?
Dunno I think its a boring story really. Am sure the UK would rather it hadnt gone to Gibraltar.
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(Original post by BlueIndigoViolet)
If you read the article, and understand the situation, why is wrong to detain a ship that has more than reasonable doubt to be bypassing EU sanctions, of which we are a part of, using normal US intel sharing, i.e. the point of the thread???
Sigh. Did you actually read my post or are you just getting, to use your word here, 'triggered' that one has the temerity to not back our Satrap 'government'?
Either way the answer to your question is in the OP.
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Dunno I think its a boring story really. Am sure the UK would rather it hadnt gone to Gibraltar.
Meh, its either that or hear about Brexit some more... call me old fashioned but i'd rather be forced to sit through endless reruns of that mug Piers Morgan than be forced to endure more of that never ending omnishambles. The British deploying marines to an oversized boat would this seem an amusing distraction.
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Sigh. Did you actually read my post or are you just getting, to use your word here, 'triggered' that one has the temerity to not back our Satrap 'government'?
Either way the answer to your question is in the OP.
"our" government - why am I not surprised

Your OP - "Why we continue to do the bidding of a crack pot like Bolton is utterly beyond me" - intel sharing is normal, and had reasonable doubt that it was evading EU sanctions, this whole thread is an attempt to defend Iran's actions blind to reason/intelligence reports, as a poster pin up boy for their government.
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"our" government - why am I not surprised
Forgive me, are you a foreigner or is it somehow not your government in some other fashion?
Your OP - "Why we continue to do the bidding of a crack pot like Bolton is utterly beyond me" - intel sharing is normal, and had reasonable doubt that it was evading EU sanctions, this whole thread is an attempt to defend Iran's actions blind to reason/intelligence reports, as a poster pin up boy for their government.
You don't say :rolleyes: Although i feel you should probably be made aware intel sharing means some intel is sometimes shared. Governments do not give open book access to anyone, period.
Do i also need to point out that some of the biggest Iranian sanction busters have been umm UK firms?
"defend Irans actions" ahaha oh dear. Remind me how saying its overkill tp deploy marines to seize a civilian vessel is "defending" anything? Nevermind the fact i think youll find Tehran is entitled to sell its oil.
Uhuh, well if the best you can do is call me an Iranian shill then by all means piss off the thread otherwise actually make a point and stop acting like a child.
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Forgive me, are you a foreigner or is it somehow not your government in some other fashion?

You don't say :rolleyes: Although i feel you should probably be made aware intel sharing means some intel is sometimes shared. Governments do not give open book access to anyone, period.
Do i also need to point out that some of the biggest Iranian sanction busters have been umm UK firms?
Uhuh, well if the best you can do is call me an Iranian shill then by all means piss off the thread otherwise actually make a point and stop acting like a child.
Iranian shill - true, your words not mine though

Sanction evading is a reasonable reason to detain a tanker - ill leave you to ignore the facts and blindly commit to your views
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One has to wonder why there might be controversy over this, apart from Iran and its supporters, of course. If there is sound intelligence that this vessel is violating EU sanctions - and even an idiot would understand the duplicitous intention behind its means of entering the Mediterranean Sea - then Gibraltar and Britain had no choice in having to act.
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Iranian shill - true, your words not mine though
You see this is why i dont like debating with children. If the best you can do is that it really shows your lack of intellect.
Sanction evading is a reasonable reason to detain a tanker - ill leave you to ignore the facts and blindly commit to your views
It would probably help if you actually knew my views but i bid you adieu.
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One has to wonder why there might be controversy over this, apart from Iran and its supporters, of course. If there is sound intelligence that this vessel is violating EU sanctions - and even an idiot would understand the duplicitous intention behind its means of entering the Mediterranean Sea -
Whats duplicitous about entering an international waterway? Unless Syria happens to have a coastline in the Southern Ocean instead it would seem somewhat err rational to be entering that area.
then Gibraltar and Britain had no choice in having to act.[/quote]
Now we both no that isn't entirely correct.
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