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I've applied to Lancaster University for Law this year and it's my insurance choice. How do people rate it for Law? Why is it only AAB rather than AAA at unis such as Warwick? Btw my question is for undergraduate level.

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Never heard of anyone in its faculty. Dunno if anyone here can name any 'big names' there.

You realise that, outside the wankfest that is the The Guardian league table, Lancaster isn't particularly successful at anything, particularly for law.
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Their phil dept is ok.
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Would I be better off trying to get in at Sheffield or a RG uni at least?
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Would I be better off trying to get in at Sheffield or a RG uni at least?
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No difference

At that level, you're not hunting for infinitessimal differences in faculty, student satisfaction or whatever - you're looking at where you'd like to study for three years (that includes cost of living, transport, distance from home, accommodation, etc.). There's no 'right' choice.
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It's not the best for Law but it is a good solid uni - 7th in the latest Complete University Guide (13th for Law) and 6th in the 2019 Times & Sunday Times (18th for Law). I think it's just as good as many of the RG unis (including Sheffield) and at AAB, a good Insurance choice for someone not 100% confident about achieving AAA or higher.

Edited to say that a main reason why it is less competitive than certain other unis is to do with location. Lancaster is a very small city and although nice, not particularly exciting. It is a long way North and quite far away from any bigger cities - there are organised trips to Manchester for the shopping and big clubs, for example, but that is an hour away. The actual campus is attractive and well designed though, and the city is friendly and getting bigger
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harrysbar JohanGRK Thanks for the comments. Given my current situation (not confident at all tbh with my A level grades) Lancaster looks a viable option for me. My only worry is that it is not a RG, does that affect how firms view you once you graduate, and henceforth does this affect employability in the legal profession?


I know it's far from the G5, but so long as it's half decent that's all I'm wanting to know at this stage. Some advise me just to get the **** there, get the degree done and move on in life - the only thing that's holding me back is graduate prospects. Could anyone provide more info on that?

Thanks for your comments. If you've got any more info seemingly relevant please do not hesitate to comment!
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harrysbar JohanGRK Thanks for the comments. Given my current situation (not confident at all tbh with my A level grades) Lancaster looks a viable option for me. My only worry is that it is not a RG, does that affect how firms view you once you graduate, and henceforth does this affect employability in the legal profession?


I know it's far from the G5, but so long as it's half decent that's all I'm wanting to know at this stage. Some advise me just to get the **** there, get the degree done and move on in life - the only thing that's holding me back is graduate prospects. Could anyone provide more info on that?

Thanks for your comments. If you've got any more info seemingly relevant please do not hesitate to comment!
No one cares about RG vs non-RG (the only ones that mention 'RG' in their requirements are crap employers that advertise paralegal positions on Milkround)

DeactivatedJul19 is more aware as to the sort of employer events Lancaster offers to its undergrads than either of us.
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harrysbar JohanGRK Thanks for the comments. Given my current situation (not confident at all tbh with my A level grades) Lancaster looks a viable option for me. My only worry is that it is not a RG, does that affect how firms view you once you graduate, and henceforth does this affect employability in the legal profession?


I know it's far from the G5, but so long as it's half decent that's all I'm wanting to know at this stage. Some advise me just to get the **** there, get the degree done and move on in life - the only thing that's holding me back is graduate prospects. Could anyone provide more info on that?

Thanks for your comments. If you've got any more info seemingly relevant please do not hesitate to comment!
The whole RG thing is often taken out of proportion and the main thing Law firms will be looking at are your A level grades, degree classification and the relevant work experience/extra curriculars you engage in at uni. I believe Lancaster have a decent Law society but I don't know - you will need to check up on this. The uni careers service should be happy to provide you with statistics on the sort of careers their Law graduates have gone into in recent years if you ask them. My guess is that they will not have had as much success at getting training contracts as Nottingham Law grads (just to use an example) - but this will not be Lancaster's "fault" - it will be a result of Nottingham having more students with better A level grades (or equivalent).

Lancaster is more than "half decent" and going there will not by itself hold you back from a career in Law. The important thing is for you to make yourself into the best candidate possible by achieving the highest grades you can in each module and doing as much relevant extracurricular stuff as you can comfortably manage.
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JohanGRK harrysbar I can't thank you guys enough for taking the time to respond.

I'd like to illustrate the options I have available which are few and far between imo. The first is to go to Lancaster if things don't go to plan. The second is to take an Access to Higher Education Diploma, which would take a year, obtain the required mark in that and then apply to places like Leeds, Warwick etc.

In all honesty I'd like to take the advice solicitors have given me, which is to just get a law degree this year rather than trying with an Access Course. What do you guys think? What would you do in my position?

Like you mentioned Lancaster is a good place for this - should I just go there and do a lot of extracurricular stuff, or should i do an Access Course and whilst doing it involve myself in extracurriculars?

Damn this whole process confuses me and tires me. I just want results day to come and for me to know the damage (or improvement). Are you guys graduates?

Thanks guys, if you've got any more information, even of the slightest relevance, please inform me of it.
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Never heard of anyone in its faculty. Dunno if anyone here can name any 'big names' there.

You realise that, outside the wankfest that is the The Guardian league table, Lancaster isn't particularly successful at anything, particularly for law.
Tbh, you are only going to know specialists in your area. I doubt I could name anyone at UCL, but it doesn't make any difference to the uni's standing.
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JohanGRK harrysbar I can't thank you guys enough for taking the time to respond.

I'd like to illustrate the options I have available which are few and far between imo. The first is to go to Lancaster if things don't go to plan. The second is to take an Access to Higher Education Diploma, which would take a year, obtain the required mark in that and then apply to places like Leeds, Warwick etc.

In all honesty I'd like to take the advice solicitors have given me, which is to just get a law degree this year rather than trying with an Access Course. What do you guys think? What would you do in my position?

Like you mentioned Lancaster is a good place for this - should I just go there and do a lot of extracurricular stuff, or should i do an Access Course and whilst doing it involve myself in extracurriculars?

Damn this whole process confuses me and tires me. I just want results day to come and for me to know the damage (or improvement). Are you guys graduates?

Thanks guys, if you've got any more information, even of the slightest relevance, please inform me of it.
I'm an ex careers adviser (and a graduate, but not in Law). I have visited lots of unis as part of my job was helping students with their UCAS applications and my daughter actually went to Lancaster to do Psychology. It wasn't her first choice either, but she loved it there. Johan is a Law student at a top London uni who has secured a TC.

I would strongly advise you not to do the Access to H.E. Not only is it unnecessary, but for Law applications, you will need to list every grade you have achieved since the age of 16 and any Law firm snobbish enough to care that you went to Lancaster rather than Warwick would definitely have a problem with you needing to take an extra year to get into Warwick or Leeds, even assuming that those unis would definitely accept you on the basis of the Access course. In all honesty, you are overthinking it and have been told the same by solicitors themselves.
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Tbh, you are only going to know specialists in your area. I doubt I could name anyone at UCL, but it doesn't make any difference to the uni's standing.
I didn't really specialise during my degree - but I get the point

Guess I'll have to go through their faculty list (it's not very long)
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Notoriety harrysbar JohanGRK Thanks ever so much for replying.

harrysbar You have confirmed what I've been thinking deep down really. I've spent too long being fixated on getting into the arguably more prestigious places, such as Leeds, and not nearly as long on what firms are looking for. At present, I have already taken a year out retaking my A levels. Doing an Access course would mean 2 years out in total, and I'm sure that's not a good sign for firms. Best off just getting in at Lancaster (if grades do not go to plan) and applying myself there. Out of interest, I was initally at Hull Uni doing Law last year but I dropped out to retake.

JohanGRK congratulations on securing your TC! If you don't mind, please could you shed light on what extra-curricular activities you did or anything else that you did? Did you prepare for the Law course before actually starting your degree etc? I take it that you are a graduate now? And I take it that first year very much Does count when one is studying the law.

One more thing I would love an answer to. If one did not achieve the required A level grades for entry to a firm, despite getting a first class degree, would they still be rejected? I know you're not firm recruitment people but any minor insight you may have into this would be thoroughly appreciated.

Thank you!
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JohanGRK congratulations on securing your TC! If you don't mind, please could you shed light on what extra-curricular activities you did or anything else that you did? Did you prepare for the Law course before actually starting your degree etc? I take it that you are a graduate now? And I take it that first year very much Does count when one is studying the law.

One more thing I would love an answer to. If one did not achieve the required A level grades for entry to a firm, despite getting a first class degree, would they still be rejected? I know you're not firm recruitment people but any minor insight you may have into this would be thoroughly appreciated.

Thank you!
Best if I PM the extra-curriculars, because they make me super easy to identify

I don't think that firms that use cut-offs reject people automatically... it's still a human decision. That means that you have the potential to win their hearts through other aspects of the application. First class hons and professional work experience (e.g. paralegalling for 6 months or a year) are definitely strong points that all recruiters love.

First year counts a lot - it will be the most recent grade you'll have on your application, the only uni grade you'll have achieved when applying to vac schemes, and can help compensate for bad A-levels. Doing really well also allows you to, rather cheekily, predict yourself a First overall (even if you end up missing it).

I'm a graduand - haven't actually had my graduation ceremony yet! I got my TC about a year ago but deferred it so that I could do a postgrad.
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JohanGRK Thanks for the message.

Ah it's encouraging to know there's still scope for me to succeed. I'm not even looking to get into a magic circle London firm, Just an average one would be fine. Anyways that's a few years down the line yet.

The attitude some people have towards first year really amuses me. Not only are people paying 9 grand a year for the pleasure, it is also looked upon by employers. a relative of mine has attended only 20% of his lectures to date, in his first year, and by my calculations he had paid 7.2K to do **** all for the year.

Can't thank you enough for the info. When I go to uni I'm gonna show some real dedication and hopefully the 3 years will be worth it! Could you tell me a bit more about vac schemes? I presume they are very hard to get into, but what does one do in them? Is it almost a 2 week work experience (excuse my ignorance).

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I've applied to Lancaster University for Law this year and it's my insurance choice. How do people rate it for Law? Why is it only AAB rather than AAA at unis such as Warwick? Btw my question is for undergraduate level.

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Lancaster uni is good for many subjects and its lower grade purely due to the fact Lancaster is a pretty boring and small place so
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JohanGRK harrysbar I can't thank you guys enough for taking the time to respond.

I'd like to illustrate the options I have available which are few and far between imo. The first is to go to Lancaster if things don't go to plan. The second is to take an Access to Higher Education Diploma, which would take a year, obtain the required mark in that and then apply to places like Leeds, Warwick etc.

In all honesty I'd like to take the advice solicitors have given me, which is to just get a law degree this year rather than trying with an Access Course. What do you guys think? What would you do in my position?

Like you mentioned Lancaster is a good place for this - should I just go there and do a lot of extracurricular stuff, or should i do an Access Course and whilst doing it involve myself in extracurriculars?

Damn this whole process confuses me and tires me. I just want results day to come and for me to know the damage (or improvement). Are you guys graduates?

Thanks guys, if you've got any more information, even of the slightest relevance, please inform me of it.
I wish you luck at Lancaster the university is great and it's facilities are amazing, the town is very friendly and their is so much student accommodation that you can be picky with where you live in Lancaster
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Lancaster uni is good for many subjects and its lower grade purely due to the fact Lancaster is a pretty boring and small place so

I wish you luck at Lancaster the university is great and it's facilities are amazing, the town is very friendly and their is so much student accommodation that you can be picky with where you live in Lancaster
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Sounds realistic
Yeah, that's why Durham takes in people with BBB. No one wants to move to some piss pot in the middle of nowhere.
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Yeah, that's why Durham takes in people with BBB. No one wants to move to some piss pot in the middle of nowhere.
You use really gross words
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