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If you've been watching the news lately you'll have seen that Iran has now begun messing with the UK, 'it comes after police in Gibraltar arrested the captain and chief officer of the detained Iranian Grace 1 supertanker accused of violating EU sanctions on Syria.

And on Wednesday, a Royal Navy frigate trained its guns on three Iranian boats seeking to force an oil tanker off its route.

The military clash took place late evening as the tanker was travelling through the Strait of Hormuz.

The threat level has been raised to critical in Iranian waters since Tuesday.

I don't know what Iran is thinking, but playing up with the US and then the UK is not a smart decision, they need to back off.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...6nD?li=BBoPWjQ
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A British tanker has entered Iran's waters

https://twitter.com/BreakingNLive/st...20843178827777

It looks like the UK and USA are looking to provoke Iran into being defensive so that they attack them
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(Original post by howtochangename)
A British tanker has entered Iran's waters

https://twitter.com/BreakingNLive/st...20843178827777

It looks like the UK and USA are looking to provoke Iran into being defensive so that they attack them
We dont physically have to enter war with them using peace through strength is the best strategy.
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(Original post by howtochangename)
A British tanker has entered Iran's waters

https://twitter.com/BreakingNLive/st...20843178827777

It looks like the UK and USA are looking to provoke Iran into being defensive so that they attack them
Great source, lets see it being confirmed from somewhere credible .
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(Original post by TheNamesBond.)
If you've been watching the news lately you'll have seen that Iran has now begun messing with the UK, 'it comes after police in Gibraltar arrested the captain and chief officer of the detained Iranian Grace 1 supertanker accused of violating EU sanctions on Syria.

And on Wednesday, a Royal Navy frigate trained its guns on three Iranian boats seeking to force an oil tanker off its route.

The military clash took place late evening as the tanker was travelling through the Strait of Hormuz.
That isnt a military clash. specifically it was a lack of a clash, if you had read the report.

The threat level has been raised to critical in Iranian waters since Tuesday.
I don't know what Iran is thinking, but playing up with the US and then the UK is not a smart decision, they need to back off.
I'm going to have to assume you dont know the background to this if you think "Iran is playing up", As opposed to reacting to events.
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(Original post by howtochangename)
A British tanker has entered Iran's waters
Every large vessel entering the Staits of Hormuz is forced to enter Iranian territorial waters as it has to comply with the traffic separation scheme that operates for reasons of safety. This is not news.

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That isnt a military clash. specifically it was a lack of a clash, if you had read the report.

The threat level has been raised to critical in Iranian waters since Tuesday.
It was a military clash, they don't need to be shooting at each other and heads flying off people's bodies for it to be classed as a military clash.
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(Original post by Good bloke)
Every large vessel entering the Staits of Hormuz is forced to enter Iranian territorial waters as it has to comply with the traffic separation scheme that operates for reasons of safety. This is not news.

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It is because it's the UK, and everything the US and its allies do is a flagrant attempt to undermine the Iranian government.
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(Original post by TheNamesBond.)
It was a military clash, they don't need to be shooting at each other and heads flying off people's bodies for it to be classed as a military clash.
Actually thats the definition of a clash...
Looking at each other across the Gulf hardly counts as anything overly significant.
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(Original post by TheNamesBond.)
It is because it's the UK, and everything the US and its allies do is a flagrant attempt to undermine the Iranian government.
In exactly the same way that a Danish ship sailing through the straits of Dover is a flagrant attempt to undermine both the British and French governments.
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(Original post by TheNamesBond.)
It is because it's the UK, and everything the US and its allies do is a flagrant attempt to undermine the Iranian government.
Its hardly an unreasonable, if somewhat over excitable, responce from the Iranians given their hisotrical and present relations with the US.
Staging coups, shooting down airliners, supporting terror groups in Iran, repeatedly calling for 'regime change'. Say what you will about the government in Tehran but they have every right to be suspicious of US actions.
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bout to catch iran slippin
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Its hardly an unreasonable, if somewhat over excitable, responce from the Iranians given their hisotrical and present relations with the US.
Staging coups, shooting down airliners, supporting terror groups in Iran, repeatedly calling for 'regime change'. Say what you will about the government in Tehran but they have every right to be suspicious of US actions.
No, I don't see the UK or the US attempting to seize an Iranian ship, the past does not give you a reason to act impulsively and haphazard.
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No, I don't see the UK or the US attempting to seize an Iranian ship, the past does not give you a reason to act impulsively and haphazard.
The UK did just seize an Iranian ship.. Never mind the assets seized by the US.
Maybe not but that's not really the point i was driving at in my comment. Although one should bear in mind that there can be a rather stark difference between what Iran does and what the IRGC does.
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I think the Iranians are trying to bully the West and Nato into accepting their nuclear weapons, with a heavy tone of ”would be a shame if (to pick an example) Taunton became a mushroom cloud, nudge nudge wink wink know what I mean”. The best thing to do here is to attack (conventionally) Iranian nuclear bases before they get a weapon they can browbeat/threaten us with.
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The UK did just seize an Iranian ship.. Never mind the assets seized by the US.
Maybe not but that's not really the point i was driving at in my comment. Although one should bear in mind that there can be a rather stark difference between what Iran does and what the IRGC does.
So what if they seized an Iranian ship, firstly, where is the source, from some second rate twitter news account, and let's say it's real, what do you expect them to do, wave them on by, if someone commits an action like Iran has, they must be punished.
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Actually thats the definition of a clash...
Looking at each other across the Gulf hardly counts as anything overly significant.
Are you seriously going to debate what it was called, it said 'military clash' in the report, since you seem to care so much about accuracy, read it.

'And on Wednesday, a Royal Navy frigate trained its guns on three Iranian boats seeking to force an oil tanker off its route'.

Whether or not people were killed, it is still a clash of two militaries, you seem to be near to an argument where you're saying Iran wasn't even behind this, an unrelated group was.
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(Original post by TheNamesBond.)
So what if they seized an Iranian ship, firstly, where is the source, from some second rate twitter news account, and let's say it's real, what do you expect them to do, wave them on by, if someone commits an action like Iran has, they must be punished.
What do you mean 'where is the source' the government have publicly admitted to landing marines on Grace-1 :lol: This is hardly a secret.
Of course :rolleyes:
Pray tell what you mean by 'punished' though? This isnt the school yard.
Are you seriously going to debate what it was called, it said 'military clash' in the report, since you seem to care so much about accuracy, read it.

'And on Wednesday, a Royal Navy frigate trained its guns on three Iranian boats seeking to force an oil tanker off its route'.

Whether or not people were killed, it is still a clash of two militaries, you seem to be near to an argument where you're saying Iran wasn't even behind this, an unrelated group was.
An MSN article does not a report make.
Do you want me to crack open a dictionary? Okay lets see what it says;
clash
noun
1.
a violent confrontation.
"there have been minor clashes with security forces"
synonyms: confrontation, skirmish, brush, encounter, engagement, collision, incident, conflict, fight, battle; More

Ergo this was not a clash.

No if you had read what I said was that there is a difference between official Iranian government policy and that of the IRGC.
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(Original post by LiberOfLondon)
I think the Iranians are trying to bully the West and Nato into accepting their nuclear weapons, with a heavy tone of ”would be a shame if (to pick an example) Taunton became a mushroom cloud, nudge nudge wink wink know what I mean”.
It's a touch hard to accept what does not exist, no?
The best thing to do here is to attack (conventionally) Iranian nuclear bases before they get a weapon they can browbeat/threaten us with.
Need one point out that the possession of a nuclear weapon is one thing. The ability to deliver it is quite another. Never mind the fact, as aforementioned, everyone is in universal agreement that Iran not only does not have nuclear weapons but has no active nuclear weapons plan.
Let me put it to you this way, how would you react if someone blew up a nuclear reactor in Britain on unfounded accusations and caused another Chernobyl? As that is exactly, and without question, what you just suggested...
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What do you mean 'where is the source' the government have publicly admitted to landing marines on Grace-1 :lol: This is hardly a secret.
Of course :rolleyes:
Pray tell what you mean by 'punished' though? This isnt the school yard.
They must be punished, no this is not a schoolyard, what's your point, did you just say that because it sounded good in your head.


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An MSN article does not a report make.
Do you want me to crack open a dictionary? Okay lets see what it says;
clash
noun
1.
a violent confrontation.
"there have been minor clashes with security forces"
synonyms: confrontation, skirmish, brush, encounter, engagement, collision, incident, conflict, fight, battle; More

Ergo this was not a clash.

No if you had read what I said was that there is a difference between official Iranian government policy and that of the IRGC.
Please do go on with technicalities, truth is there was some sort of military action taken to scare off the Iranians, so the usage of the phrase 'military clash' shouldn't really bother you that much, why does it bother you, they trained their guns on the Iranian boats to scare them off whilst warning them.

Why are you arguing a technicality, there is no definition to a 'military clash', it can mean anything between guns firing and people dying to what we see here, guns being at the ready and aimed at boats warning them to back off.

Instead of arguing technicalities why don't you argue something of a matter.
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(Original post by TheNamesBond.)
They must be punished, no this is not a schoolyard, what's your point, did you just say that because it sounded good in your head.
Pray tell how then
My point is that your flippant and rather childish remark on 'punishing' a country is rather questionable.

Please do go on with technicalities, truth is there was some sort of military action taken to scare off the Iranians, so the usage of the phrase 'military clash' shouldn't really bother you that much, why does it bother you, they trained their guns on the Iranian boats to scare them off whilst warning them.
Because of your entirely false implication that there was a firefight, or just your mangling of the word.
Why are you arguing a technicality, there is no definition to a 'military clash', it can mean anything between guns firing and people dying to what we see here, guns being at the ready and aimed at boats warning them to back off.
See the previous comment.
Instead of arguing technicalities why don't you argue something of a matter.
I'm not the one focusing on a single point. I've already made several points, as opposed to your foot stamping "they must be punished".
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