Second Yr Results for LLB Degree Watch

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The results for this academic yr (2nd yr) were just released and my results weren't the greatest as I averaged 49.83% (i transferred universities and I found it hard to adapt and I am thankful for passing this yr without a retake regardless).

Second yr is worth 40% of the whole degree and third yr is worth 60%; i completed 6 modules this year and i have picked 5 other modules next year (including dissertation as it is optional) we are not obliged to pick a 6th module but we can.

My first question is, do I need to pick the 6th module in order for 3rd yr to weigh 60% or is 3rd yr worth 60% regardless of how many modules I pick even if the total of modules for next yr is less than the 2nd yrs modules (in this case yes 5 modules)?

and my second question is, as I averaged 49.83% on my second yr, how much do I need to average next yr in order to get at least 2:1 or 1st ( by my calculations I need to average 66.7% next yr in order to just secure a 2:1).



I would be grateful if someone can actually help me out as I feel like both first and second yr just went down the drain and no law firm will accept a 2:2 graduate student.

p.s. I might consider doing masters just to try and boost my luck if I fail to achieve a 2:1 or higher. (would that help or no)
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The results for this academic yr (2nd yr) were just released and my results weren't the greatest as I averaged 49.83% (i transferred universities and I found it hard to adapt and I am thankful for passing this yr without a retake regardless).

Second yr is worth 40% of the whole degree and third yr is worth 60%; i completed 6 modules this year and i have picked 5 other modules next year (including dissertation as it is optional) we are not obliged to pick a 6th module but we can.

My first question is, do I need to pick the 6th module in order for 3rd yr to weigh 60% or is 3rd yr worth 60% regardless of how many modules I pick even if the total of modules for next yr is less than the 2nd yrs modules (in this case yes 5 modules)?

and my second question is, as I averaged 49.83% on my second yr, how much do I need to average next yr in order to get at least 2:1 or 1st ( by my calculations I need to average 66.7% next yr in order to just secure a 2:1).



I would be grateful if someone can actually help me out as I feel like both first and second yr just went down the drain and no law firm will accept a 2:2 graduate student.

p.s. I might consider doing masters just to try and boost my luck if I fail to achieve a 2:1 or higher. (would that help or no)
1) Your third year will still be worth 60% of your overall mark, no matter how many modules you take. The average will just be taken from more module marks.

2) You will need at least 68% to get a 2:1, and at least 84% to get a first overall (according to unigradecalc.com).
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Why do you think you struggled so much? What were your first year marks like?
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(Original post by Anonymous)
The results for this academic yr (2nd yr) were just released and my results weren't the greatest as I averaged 49.83% (i transferred universities and I found it hard to adapt and I am thankful for passing this yr without a retake regardless).

Second yr is worth 40% of the whole degree and third yr is worth 60%; i completed 6 modules this year and i have picked 5 other modules next year (including dissertation as it is optional) we are not obliged to pick a 6th module but we can.

My first question is, do I need to pick the 6th module in order for 3rd yr to weigh 60% or is 3rd yr worth 60% regardless of how many modules I pick even if the total of modules for next yr is less than the 2nd yrs modules (in this case yes 5 modules)?

and my second question is, as I averaged 49.83% on my second yr, how much do I need to average next yr in order to get at least 2:1 or 1st ( by my calculations I need to average 66.7% next yr in order to just secure a 2:1).



I would be grateful if someone can actually help me out as I feel like both first and second yr just went down the drain and no law firm will accept a 2:2 graduate student.

p.s. I might consider doing masters just to try and boost my luck if I fail to achieve a 2:1 or higher. (would that help or no)
1. They will still give you a 2:2.
2. You need to read the rules on grade calculations. You are a law student so you should be good at that. The rules may reveal and advantage to taking a sixth. It is unclear if its 120 credits or whether the optional could be extra credits.
3. The 66.7 sounds about right.
4. Need to pull your thumb out and work out what went wrong plus the remedy. It is no easy task to go from 49.9 to strong 2:1s.
5. I would take a week off then be working my backside off over the summer.
6. Did you have any health issues? GP + serious ones physical or mental?
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I would be grateful if someone can actually help me out as I feel like both first and second yr just went down the drain and no law firm will accept a 2:2 graduate student.

p.s. I might consider doing masters just to try and boost my luck if I fail to achieve a 2:1 or higher. (would that help or no)
It is not impossible to get a TC with a 2.2, but it will be very difficult and you will need to adjust your expectations of the type of firm you want to get into downwards.

A masters will not compensate for a 2.2 when it comes to TC applications. It is a waste of your time. You would need to focus on other areas of your profile to improve your chances.
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cheers for the help. will contact the university for more clarity.
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1) Your third year will still be worth 60% of your overall mark, no matter how many modules you take. The average will just be taken from more module marks.

2) You will need at least 68% to get a 2:1, and at least 84% to get a first overall (according to unigradecalc.com).
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my current uni is very different to my old one; they tend to think you're einstein. they teach you the lecture (most of the time, they read the lecture slides and thats it even the seminar they are not helpful) whereas my older uni they try and explain the topic like they would to a normal person regardless if they were law students. for my first yr i got 74%, 64%, 63% and 57%.
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Why do you think you struggled so much? What were your first year marks like?
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thank you, I have actually decided to start early with the modules I have picked so I don't struggle as I did in the previous yr.

I did not have any health issues, it was just hard to adapt to the new uni and their teaching style (they were just reading from the slides)

in my first year i averaged 65% so hopefully, i can try and push it in my third.
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1. They will still give you a 2:2.
2. You need to read the rules on grade calculations. You are a law student so you should be good at that. The rules may reveal and advantage to taking a sixth. It is unclear if its 120 credits or whether the optional could be extra credits.
3. The 66.7 sounds about right.
4. Need to pull your thumb out and work out what went wrong plus the remedy. It is no easy task to go from 49.9 to strong 2:1s.
5. I would take a week off then be working my backside off over the summer.
6. Did you have any health issues? GP + serious ones physical or mental?
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thank you.
I have read that some graduates who graduated with a 2:2 got into a good "city" firm due to work experience and their masters course. but it wouldve been easier for them if they achieved a 2:1 or a 1st.

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It is not impossible to get a TC with a 2.2, but it will be very difficult and you will need to adjust your expectations of the type of firm you want to get into downwards.

A masters will not compensate for a 2.2 when it comes to TC applications. It is a waste of your time. You would need to focus on other areas of your profile to improve your chances.
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thank you, I have actually decided to start early with the modules I have picked so I don't struggle as I did in the previous yr.

I did not have any health issues, it was just hard to adapt to the new uni and their teaching style (they were just reading from the slides)

in my first year i averaged 65% so hopefully, i can try and push it in my third.
You must read the rules on final degree grade calculation.
You are looking for any method of enhancing the scores in third year and avoiding some of the second year marks.
They will be on the website.
You need to hit 2:1 straightaway.
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(Original post by emad1234)
thank you.
I have read that some graduates who graduated with a 2:2 got into a good "city" firm due to work experience and their masters course. but it wouldve been easier for them if they achieved a 2:1 or a 1st.
There may always be exceptions to the rule, especially with smaller firms - but beware of relying on anecdotes. If a firm has a specific undergraduate grade requirement, this generally will not be waived with a masters, the thinking being that one year of specialised study doesn't do much for three years of low general performance. The work experience would be more of an advantage.

If there is a particular firm you are interested in, it is worth approaching them directly and asking them if they would overlook a 2.2 if you had a masters. Otherwise it's a lot of money and time for only a minor reward.
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There may always be exceptions to the rule, especially with smaller firms - but beware of relying on anecdotes. If a firm has a specific undergraduate grade requirement, this generally will not be waived with a masters, the thinking being that one year of specialised study doesn't do much for three years of low general performance. The work experience would be more of an advantage.

If there is a particular firm you are interested in, it is worth approaching them directly and asking them if they would overlook a 2.2 if you had a masters. Otherwise it's a lot of money and time for only a minor reward.
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I can't imagine a Master's course to ever compensate for bad undergrad grades - particularly if that Master's course allowed you to enrol with those grades in the first place - so it was likely these people's work experience and ability to pass assessments

From my Linkedin, I have seen two City firms take people with 2:2s (Links and CRS), but only because these people were able to offer professional insights/experience that vast outweighed their academic offerings (and these particular firms aren't that picky about academics in the first place!).
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There may always be exceptions to the rule, especially with smaller firms - but beware of relying on anecdotes. If a firm has a specific undergraduate grade requirement, this generally will not be waived with a masters, the thinking being that one year of specialised study doesn't do much for three years of low general performance. The work experience would be more of an advantage.

If there is a particular firm you are interested in, it is worth approaching them directly and asking them if they would overlook a 2.2 if you had a masters. Otherwise it's a lot of money and time for only a minor reward.
Agree with this as from the experience of people I know, those with a 2.2 have massively struggled to get TCs. One example is a girl who got a Distinction in her GDL and LPC but is still working as a paralegal 4 years on - not even at a city firm but at a small regional one. She cannot get her firm (or any other) to give her a training contract which she is pretty sure is down to her 2.2 from UWE because in all other ways she is an excellent candidate.
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