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So I’m doing an extra year at college to do another a level so I can meet the entry requirements for foundation medicine. This year I’ve done Chem and phys, but I’m not the best at physics so my grades will be like AC (C in physics). However, this year I’m doing biology (which I started in year 12 but delayed it for next year so I could revise more for physics), and then history in one year. Basically my question is will they accept the biology and history a level for foundation medicine even tho it’s 3 years after my GCSE’s?? I meet the criteria for the WA aspect of foundation degrees.
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Your best bet is to contact the admissions departments of the universities you are looking at because their entry requirements all vary.
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So I’m doing an extra year at college to do another a level so I can meet the entry requirements for foundation medicine. This year I’ve done Chem and phys, but I’m not the best at physics so my grades will be like AC (C in physics). However, this year I’m doing biology (which I started in year 12 but delayed it for next year so I could revise more for physics), and then history in one year. Basically my question is will they accept the biology and history a level for foundation medicine even tho it’s 3 years after my GCSE’s?? I meet the criteria for the WA aspect of foundation degrees.
All of the below information is taken from the med school websites and other readily available sites and is something you would be expected to have researched yourself. It took me around 20 minutes to find this information and whilst it may have taken you longer than this, it is not an arduous task. Medicine involves a substantial amount of individual learning and research and application is a good place to start this!

You would not meet the criteria for Bristol (they do not accept people with an A in Chemistry)
UEA say A levels must be completed within 2 years, though I don't know if this would be all 3 of them, so you would probably need to contact them to discuss your situation as your Biology will have taken 3 years from start to finish.
Edge Hill require you to be in the North West of England as well as other WA criteria?
Kings say "GCSEs must have been completed at a non-selective state school in Greater London"?
Liverpool is aimed at mature students and does not accept school leavers
Leicester state all A levels must be taken within 2 years of your GCSEs
Nottingham and Lincoln state A levels must have been taken within a 2 year period
Glasgow, Aberdeen, Dundee and St Andrews are open to Scottish applicants only, I think

This leaves you
Lancaster (do not mention resits, but accept them on the standard entry course, so may well do here),
HYMS (say "should have a gap of no more than three years between completing school and beginning the MB BS Medicine with Gateway Year programme" but do not state whether taking all that time to do A levels is acceptable),
Plymouth (do suggest you need a certain A level requirements at first sitting of BCC, but do not say whether only having sat 2 then a further 2 will be acceptable),
Southampton (no mention of resits but do not currently accept them on the standard entry course)

So you will need to read the websites and probably contact admission for those you remain eligible for to ask it they will accept AC in 2 years, your Biology grade in 3 years and History in 1 year as this is a very specialised situation.
If you get an A in Chemistry and an A in either history or Biology and a B in the other (some will take ABB), you would be eligible for standard entry med courses that accept resits
If you are on Realising Opportunities or othe WA schemes, there may be other med schools that would accept you via standard entry?
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That’s great info thanks. I do qualify for the WA criteria etc, and the uni which is local to me is UEA which would be my ideal choice. I’ve emailed them regarding my situation but I’m not feeling very optimistic.
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All of the below information is taken from the med school websites and other readily available sites and is something you would be expected to have researched yourself. It took me around 20 minutes to find this information and whilst it may have taken you longer than this, it is not an arduous task. Medicine involves a substantial amount of individual learning and research and application is a good place to start this!

You would not meet the criteria for Bristol (they do not accept people with an A in Chemistry)
UEA say A levels must be completed within 2 years, though I don't know if this would be all 3 of them, so you would probably need to contact them to discuss your situation as your Biology will have taken 3 years from start to finish.
Edge Hill require you to be in the North West of England as well as other WA criteria?
Kings say "GCSEs must have been completed at a non-selective state school in Greater London"?
Liverpool is aimed at mature students and does not accept school leavers
Leicester state all A levels must be taken within 2 years of your GCSEs
Nottingham and Lincoln state A levels must have been taken within a 2 year period
Glasgow, Aberdeen, Dundee and St Andrews are open to Scottish applicants only, I think

This leaves you
Lancaster (do not mention resits, but accept them on the standard entry course, so may well do here),
HYMS (say "should have a gap of no more than three years between completing school and beginning the MB BS Medicine with Gateway Year programme" but do not state whether taking all that time to do A levels is acceptable),
Plymouth (do suggest you need a certain A level requirements at first sitting of BCC, but do not say whether only having sat 2 then a further 2 will be acceptable),
Southampton (no mention of resits but do not currently accept them on the standard entry course)

So you will need to read the websites and probably contact admission for those you remain eligible for to ask it they will accept AC in 2 years, your Biology grade in 3 years and History in 1 year as this is a very specialised situation.
If you get an A in Chemistry and an A in either history or Biology and a B in the other (some will take ABB), you would be eligible for standard entry med courses that accept resits
If you are on Realising Opportunities or othe WA schemes, there may be other med schools that would accept you via standard entry?
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That’s great info thanks. I do qualify for the WA criteria etc, and the uni which is local to me is UEA which would be my ideal choice. I’ve emailed them regarding my situation but I’m not feeling very optimistic.
I suspect you are probably best off hoping for A/B predictions for Biology and History and applying to standard entry medicine at med achools that accept resits and your WA criteria as AAB or ABB will get you into a lot of these (and UEA do accept resits, though again, your specific situation may not be covered, but worth asking what their WA criteria are for A100 and how this would fit with your particular circumstances)
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Hello GANFYD and all threaders,
I noticed all of your advice about what best to do when considering studying medicine. It is all excellent advice! I would always do the research and ask all the universities that you are most interested in studying at about how you can meet their entry criteria. At Aberdeen we have a Gateway2Medicine (G2M) programme which may not be so relevant to you, but it does highlight the fact that you can have different qualifications to apply for a medical degree. Take a look at this page on our website too! If you have any questions don't hesitate to contact us!
We are here to help!
I wish you well in your studies and future careers!
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I suspect you are probably best off hoping for A/B predictions for Biology and History and applying to standard entry medicine at med achools that accept resits and your WA criteria as AAB or ABB will get you into a lot of these (and UEA do accept resits, though again, your specific situation may not be covered, but worth asking what their WA criteria are for A100 and how this would fit with your particular circumstances)
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So I got a reply back from UEA earlier today. They basically said no to foundation entry (as expected), but did say they would be open to me applying for standard entry medicine, which basically means I need to work very hard next year and get A’s. They said that if I was doing any resists next year, I’d need an A*, however, I’m not doing a resit essentially as I never sat the original exam (for bio anyway).
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I suspect you are probably best off hoping for A/B predictions for Biology and History and applying to standard entry medicine at med achools that accept resits and your WA criteria as AAB or ABB will get you into a lot of these (and UEA do accept resits, though again, your specific situation may not be covered, but worth asking what their WA criteria are for A100 and how this would fit with your particular circumstances)
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So I got a reply back from UEA earlier today. They basically said no to foundation entry (as expected), but did say they would be open to me applying for standard entry medicine, which basically means I need to work very hard next year and get A’s. They said that if I was doing any resists next year, I’d need an A*, however, I’m not doing a resit essentially as I never sat the original exam (for bio anyway).
I suspected this might be the case, although I thought your offer might be a bit lower given your WA flags - did you explain that you had them? I suspect they will treat your biology as a resit as it will have taken you 3 years to complete. If you can get predicted an A and a B for history and biology there are plenty of places that will accept you if you also meet their WA criteria ( and they are pretty generic).
If you want to do this, don’t give up at this stage!
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I’m a bit confused. I can get lower entry requirements in a regular, five year medicine degree due to my WA criteria?!
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I suspected this might be the case, although I thought your offer might be a bit lower given your WA flags - did you explain that you had them? I suspect they will treat your biology as a resit as it will have taken you 3 years to complete. If you can get predicted an A and a B for history and biology there are plenty of places that will accept you if you also meet their WA criteria ( and they are pretty generic).
If you want to do this, don’t give up at this stage!
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I’m a bit confused. I can get lower entry requirements in a regular, five year medicine degree due to my WA criteria?!
Yes. Most med schools make lower offers to those with contextual or WA flags. For example, Bristol say their standard offer is "AAC including AA in Chemistry and one of Biology, Physics or Mathematics or ABB including A in Chemistry and B in one of Biology, Physics or Mathematics" for those with contextual flage. Newcastle's is BBB, Plymouth's is ABB, ARU's is ABB, Exeter say "Flagged applicants who have achieved/predicted grades of AAB or higher at A level (or equivalent), are guaranteed an invite to interview and will be placed within the top tier", HYMS sat "Contextual data used to make alternative offers of ABB for applicants from linked widening participation schemes and AAB for all other applicants who qualify", etc etc

This is why it would help a great deal if you were on the Realising Opportunities scheme (accepted everywhere, I think) or something like UEA's Medical Aspirations Scheme (guarantees an interview)
https://www.uea.ac.uk/study/info-for...al-aspirations

So do look into these, though I think you may be a bit late applying. However, many med schools still take contextual flags into consideration when making offers of selecting for interview, so you need ot read websites carefully.

But you are going to need to look at med schools that accept resits due to having taken 3 years to complete your Biology and not sat 3 A levels in one sitting, which is not acceptable for some med schools. Those that accept resits are:
Sheffield, Bristol, HYMS, UEA, Keele (but only with achieved A*AA), Liverpool, Manchester, Leicester, Nottingham, Plymouth, Exeter, Southampton, ARU, Sunderland, Kings (though they do say “applications from students that have achieved, or are predicted to achieve our typical entry requirements in the first sitting, may be more competitive overall than students who have not reached the grades required upon the first attempt”) and Aston say they will look at things on a case by case basis, so would need contacting prior to application. There is also BSMS and Lancaster if you do BMAT.
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Right great advice thank you, I’ll let you know how it all goes with emailing all the unis etc !
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Yes. Most med schools make lower offers to those with contextual or WA flags. For example, Bristol say their standard offer is "AAC including AA in Chemistry and one of Biology, Physics or Mathematics or ABB including A in Chemistry and B in one of Biology, Physics or Mathematics" for those with contextual flage. Newcastle's is BBB, Plymouth's is ABB, ARU's is ABB, Exeter say "Flagged applicants who have achieved/predicted grades of AAB or higher at A level (or equivalent), are guaranteed an invite to interview and will be placed within the top tier", HYMS sat "Contextual data used to make alternative offers of ABB for applicants from linked widening participation schemes and AAB for all other applicants who qualify", etc etc

This is why it would help a great deal if you were on the Realising Opportunities scheme (accepted everywhere, I think) or something like UEA's Medical Aspirations Scheme (guarantees an interview)
https://www.uea.ac.uk/study/info-for...al-aspirations

So do look into these, though I think you may be a bit late applying. However, many med schools still take contextual flags into consideration when making offers of selecting for interview, so you need ot read websites carefully.

But you are going to need to look at med schools that accept resits due to having taken 3 years to complete your Biology and not sat 3 A levels in one sitting, which is not acceptable for some med schools. Those that accept resits are:
Sheffield, Bristol, HYMS, UEA, Keele (but only with achieved A*AA), Liverpool, Manchester, Leicester, Nottingham, Plymouth, Exeter, Southampton, ARU, Sunderland, Kings (though they do say “applications from students that have achieved, or are predicted to achieve our typical entry requirements in the first sitting, may be more competitive overall than students who have not reached the grades required upon the first attempt”) and Aston say they will look at things on a case by case basis, so would need contacting prior to application. There is also BSMS and Lancaster if you do BMAT.
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Right great advice thank you, I’ll let you know how it all goes with emailing all the unis etc !
Start here:
https://www.medschools.ac.uk/media/2...al-schools.pdf
At the bottom of each med school page is a bit about WA and usually a link to their website page. You need to draw up a spreadsheet of who will accept your WA criteria, if you meet minimum requirements, will they accept resits, do your stats suit their selection process, etc etc and narrow it down to where you think you stand the best chance and then email for more info and to discuss your pretty specific criteria.
Good luck!
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I've been looking at the WA criteria for several universities and am wondering how I state that I fit the WA criteria. Is it a section on part of my UCAS application or is it during the interview stage where I tell them?
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Start here:
https://www.medschools.ac.uk/media/2...al-schools.pdf
At the bottom of each med school page is a bit about WA and usually a link to their website page. You need to draw up a spreadsheet of who will accept your WA criteria, if you meet minimum requirements, will they accept resits, do your stats suit their selection process, etc etc and narrow it down to where you think you stand the best chance and then email for more info and to discuss your pretty specific criteria.
Good luck!
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I've been looking at the WA criteria for several universities and am wondering how I state that I fit the WA criteria. Is it a section on part of my UCAS application or is it during the interview stage where I tell them?
It varies from uni to uni. If just using school stats they know anyway, otherwise they generally contact you to ask if you have any WA flags, I think. When you have narrowed it down, contact them and ask 😊
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