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The EU and the Ghost in the Machine: How Brexiteers constructed an EU bogeyman

https://medium.com/@Brumafriend/the-eu-and-the-ghost-in-the-machine-4065b14530f9?source=friends_link&sk=b51b5fe3848c7f6c1f5caa76663bd77d

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Original post by Brumafriend

Well that was a waste of my time, super boring, heard it all before and very skewed, no mention of the virtual indoctrination in the educational system towards the great European Federation.
For those screaming for proof then go and find me the large amount of secondary level teachers onwards that are going to give a balanced view of all the problems that have been caused by our membership of the EU, like suppression of wages for instance.
Original post by ColinDent
Well that was a waste of my time, super boring, heard it all before and very skewed, no mention of the virtual indoctrination in the educational system towards the great European Federation.
For those screaming for proof then go and find me the large amount of secondary level teachers onwards that are going to give a balanced view of all the problems that have been caused by our membership of the EU, like suppression of wages for instance.


You've clearly missed the point of the article. You most definitely haven't heard it all before because I've never seen the 'Ghost in the Machine' used to approach Brexit rhetoric. You're either illiterate or a liar.

The EU doesn't force down wages, that's the Tories' doing, but you've been so brainwashed that it seems you can only blame the EU, not the people actually in charge of the country.
Original post by Brumafriend
You've clearly missed the point of the article. You most definitely haven't heard it all before because I've never seen the 'Ghost in the Machine' used to approach Brexit rhetoric. You're either illiterate or a liar.

The EU doesn't force down wages, that's the Tories' doing, but you've been so brainwashed that it seems you can only blame the EU, not the people actually in charge of the country.

So it's a coincidence that we have seen the largest rise in wages this year for the past 11 years, the year when we have had less economic migrants coming from the EU?
Original post by ColinDent
So it's a coincidence that we have seen the largest rise in wages this year for the past 11 years, the year when we have had less economic migrants coming from the EU?

So your argument is just invalid from the start since the simple answer is 'yes', it may well be a coincidence given that you've at best established a slight correlation (which doesn't indicate causation).

Also, wages started to increase a fair amount from 2014 onwards, reaching an early peak in 2015, when EU immigration to the UK was still at a high level. It's also worth noting that real wages are (on average) actually down from ten years ago, so there's actually a negative correlation.

In summary, not only have you not provided any actual evidence, but there's no correlation at all and your observation is incorrect.
Original post by Brumafriend
So your argument is just invalid from the start since the simple answer is 'yes', it may well be a coincidence given that you've at best established a slight correlation (which doesn't indicate causation).

Also, wages started to increase a fair amount from 2014 onwards, reaching an early peak in 2015, when EU immigration to the UK was still at a high level. It's also worth noting that real wages are (on average) actually down from ten years ago, so there's actually a negative correlation.

In summary, not only have you not provided any actual evidence, but there's no correlation at all and your observation is incorrect.


There's evidence that has been released and has been all over the news today and there is a direct correlation, they even mention that part of the reason for the increase is because people in the building and driving sectors are seeing some of the best rises, 2 areas in which a large amount of the Eastern European immigrants were forming a substantial amount of the workforce.
https://www.theguardian.com/business...-business-live
Oh, another upset snowflake.
Original post by ColinDent
There's evidence that has been released and has been all over the news today and there is a direct correlation, they even mention that part of the reason for the increase is because people in the building and driving sectors are seeing some of the best rises, 2 areas in which a large amount of the Eastern European immigrants were forming a substantial amount of the workforce.
https://www.theguardian.com/business...-business-live


That link doesn't work.
Original post by random_matt
Oh, another upset snowflake.


Someone hasn't read the article :biggrin:
Original post by Brumafriend
That link doesn't work.


Try this one from the Irish Times.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/uk-wage-growth-hits-11-year-high-as-unemployment-sticks-at-3-8-1.3958031
Original post by ColinDent
no mention of the virtual indoctrination in the educational system towards the great European Federation.


What ****ing schools did brexit supporters go to?
Original post by ColinDent


I thought you were trying to show that EU immigration was damaging wages? The article doesn't mention immigration at all.
Original post by Brumafriend
I thought you were trying to show that EU immigration was damaging wages? The article doesn't mention immigration at all.


I'm saying there's a direct correlation that much is pretty obvious, you know supply and demand.
Original post by Retired_Messiah
What ****ing schools did brexit supporters go to?


Do you really think that teachers don't push their views on pupils? Our whole educational system is rife with the modern leftist, pseudo socialist types that love to lecture everyone on how to think and act, and they love the EU.
Original post by ColinDent
I'm saying there's a direct correlation that much is pretty obvious, you know supply and demand.


Correlation =/= causation, this is basic stuff.
Original post by ColinDent
Do you really think that teachers don't push their views on pupils? Our whole educational system is rife with the modern leftist, pseudo socialist types that love to lecture everyone on how to think and act, and they love the EU.

Again, what ****ing schools have you been in? This literally does not happen.
Original post by Retired_Messiah
Again, what ****ing schools have you been in? This literally does not happen.


Of course it doesn't, and it doesn't become more apparent at college then further so at University.
Teachers have their views and bias the same as the rest of us, how often do you hear critical thinking of the EU in educational establishments?
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Original post by ColinDent
Well that was a waste of my time, super boring, heard it all before and very skewed, no mention of the virtual indoctrination in the educational system towards the great European Federation.
For those screaming for proof then go and find me the large amount of secondary level teachers onwards that are going to give a balanced view of all the problems that have been caused by our membership of the EU, like suppression of wages for instance.


Irony abounds about you complaining about 'balanced ', 'skewed', 'indoctrinated' sources and people...
Original post by Napp
Irony abounds about you complaining about 'balanced ', 'skewed', 'indoctrinated' sources and people...


Not really, just pointing out that there are 2 sides to this, which is not even a little ironic, have you been asking Alanis Morissette for a definition?
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Original post by ColinDent
Not really, just pointing out that there are 2 sides to this, which is not even a little ironic, have you been asking Alanis Morissette for a definition?


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