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Banning things doesn't make a country more "developed." State interventionism does not equal progress. The USSR banned a hell of a lot of things, you wouldn't view them as "developed", would you.

Nations which "ban" things which are obviously prime examples of fully-fledged, developed nations are: Venezuela, China, North Korea, Cuba.

I'm no right-winger but I certainly do not think to ban alcohol or pornography are by any stretch of imagination sensible, "developed country" decisions.

This from an ardent remainer - don't conflate liberals with nationalist protectionists because of their views on the state, please.
(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
You may be unaware that most developed countries have similar bans. The only countries that don't are typically less developed or very poor countries. I assume from your tone that you wish Britain to be aligned with those and not with the major nations?
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Ban alcohol, ban sport drinks, ban knives, ban acid, ban self-defence, ban porn and now this? Britain will soon be known as the snowflake country that pretty much bans everything

Call me a snowflake for saying it, but I am not very partial to being attacked with a knife or acid by an over-stimulated thug. Do you deny that these are problems that require attention, or are you keen that the thugs' victims are only seen as minor collateral damage in the pursuit of laudable individualism?
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(Original post by The RAR)
I am indeed unaware, a quick Google search and I can't find any country which prohibits young drivers (Under the age of 25) from driving at night. All developed countries don't have silly bans like these, either ban anyone under 25 from driving entirely or let them drive as they please. This law in my opinion is just age discrimination.
And apart from some states in America, those bans I listed don't exist there and for those some states the only ban that comes into effect is the knife ban.
Oh no. You've discovered that some leading countries are behind us? Better drop our standards then, we wouldn't want to be better.
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I certainly do not think to ban alcohol or pornography are by any stretch of imagination sensible,
Have they been banned? Are bans proposed?

Or, perhaps, are politicians merely struggling to keep them out of the reach of children?
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I think the original poster should distinguish between knives and acid, which make sense to be banned and things such as pornography, alcohol and sports drinks - which should obviously be at individuals discretion.
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Call me a snowflake for saying it, but I am not very partial to being attacked with a knife or acid by an over-stimulated thug. Do you deny that these are problems that require attention, or are you keen that the thugs' victims are only seen as minor collateral damage in the pursuit of laudable individualism?
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Yes, there is going to be a ban on 16 and 17-year-olds watching pornography. It's not going to affect me, I don't watch porn - it's the principle.

Do you honestly support having 16 as the age of consent and then implementing age checks on pornography, potentially inclusive of a credit/debit card for 16 and 17-year-olds? Private companies having your private information. It is not the job of government to be intrusive in the private lives of 16 and 17-year-olds or people 18 and over, for that matter. I assume you likely support the IPA? Nothing to fear, nothing to hide?

There have been propositions by some groups to ban alcohol, yes.

(Original post by Good bloke)
Have they been banned? Are bans proposed?

Or, perhaps, are politicians merely struggling to keep them out of the reach of children?
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Call me a snowflake for saying it, but I am not very partial to being attacked with a knife or acid by an over-stimulated thug. Do you deny that these are problems that require attention, or are you keen that the thugs' victims are only seen as minor collateral damage in the pursuit of laudable individualism?
They require attention indeed but just banning things is not gonna work, this is slightly derailing the thread now but I will say it anyway, thugs will still be able to obtain acid and knives through illegal means, it does not solve anything and it is simply unfair on the people that need acid and knives for genuine reasons like household tasks. Same thing here, it is unfair on the young drivers that actually know how to drive at night, it's wrong to assume everyone of a particular category is the same simply because some idiots are bad at the wheel.


(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
Oh no. You've discovered that some leading countries are behind us? Better drop our standards then, we wouldn't want to be better.
More like not hinder our standards with these silly bans
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Like to see how this will be enforced
Very easily. Most obvious being the police or an ANPR camera spots a car driving at night that is registered to a young owner. Also, most insurance companies require black box technology in young driver's cars these days, which log what time the car has been driven.

(I'm not in favour of banning young people from driving at night, btw.)
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simply unfair on the people that need acid and knives for genuine reasons like household tasks.
I own many knives (and some alkali and acid) for use in household tasks. That will not change and I will be able to replenish my stocks when necessary.
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I'm glad we agree on the banning of knives and acid.
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I own many knives (and some alkali and acid) for use in household tasks. That will not change and I will be able to replenish my stocks when necessary.
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I own many knives (and some alkali and acid) for use in household tasks. That will not change and I will be able to replenish my stocks when necessary.
It really depends how the ban is put into practise, if you have to be over a certain age to buy those things then fair enough, but banning them entirely is what I cannot accept
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Nobody has proposed banning kitchen knives or acid for household purposes (as far as I'm aware)
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It really depends how the ban is put into practise, if you have to be over a certain age to buy those things then fair enough, but banning them entirely is what I cannot accept
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IMHO: Passing 'bans' on this, that, and the other thing, have little effect, because the 'thugs' pay absolutely NO attention to your silly rules. If they plan to stick a knife into you whilst you are on your way home, do you honestly think that the existence or non-existence of a 'rule' concerning knife use will have the slightest effect upon their behaviour?? The ONLY thing that might, is if they think YOU might have a knife (or a gun) to apply opposing force to them to deter them from killing you. As that might affect THEIR well being, it could have a deterring effect upon them. They are probably aware of the old adage: "Don't take a knife to a gunfight". Cheers.
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This is outright stupid, it's like the Government just want to shift the blame all the time. Instead of punishing young drivers, how about actually enforce the traffic laws? Just yesterday my dad was driving on the M1 and 3 lanes closed, but that didn't stop around 20 cars and lorries still using those closed lanes, yet not a single one of those drivers was under 25 (at least from what I could tell).

And they forget people have jobs to go to, they think everybody works a 9-5 shift but stores magically stay open 24/7. It's beyond ridiculous. And I usually drive home from Uni from 9-10pm, so by introducing this stupid law they'll be directly impacting the younger generations' education.
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uhhh what about elderly drivers and also you've got to start somewhere, if u start at 25 then you'll be even more nervous and equally prone to making mistakes
(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
I know this won't be popular, but I don't think young guys should be allowed to drive until they are over 21 and probably 25 or something like that. They are the absolutely worst drivers on the roads without doubt, the most prone to crashing and the most likely to cause death or serious injury to others and themselves. Anyone driving for a while will see incredible miscalculation, outrageous speeding and overconfidence and contempt for other drivers are all a standard feature for many young males in charge of vehicles.
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(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
I know this won't be popular, but I don't think young guys should be allowed to drive until they are over 21 and probably 25 or something like that. They are the absolutely worst drivers on the roads without doubt, the most prone to crashing and the most likely to cause death or serious injury to others and themselves. Anyone driving for a while will see incredible miscalculation, outrageous speeding and overconfidence and contempt for other drivers are all a standard feature for many young males in charge of vehicles.
Banning a group of people from doing something just because of their sex is called sexism.Just because it's not directed at women doesn't make it less sexist.
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It's been proven in many different disciplines (driving included) that it's easier to learn something new when you're younger. Banning young people from driving at night would only exacerbate the problem as they would struggle amongst older drivers on the road.
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What about light summer nights? On dark November evenings are young people expected to not use their car after 4pm? What about fog, icy roads and torrential rain? And is no difference acknowledged between driving on country lanes and well-lit town centres? :confused:
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They could find ways to encourage learners to have driving lessons at night as well as during the day instead, no?
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Yeah, and at 18 you can get a gun without a permit or background checks in Virginia too - very odd.
(Original post by Rabbit2)
It is enforced in my state [Virginia]. If you are on a 'learner's permit', you cannot drive at night, and must have a licensed driver with you in the front seat when you are driving. That driver must be 21 or over. You can get a learner's permit if you are 15 yrs + 6 months old. You must have written permission from one parent if you are under 18 yrs of age. If you are under 18, you must have satisfactorily completed a state-approved driver education program [this is often taught in public school]. If you are under 18, you can carry only one passenger under 21, unless accompanied by a fully licensed adult in the passenger seat.
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