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Why doesn't Labour carry out a purge?

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Original post by londonmyst
I've heard that one hundreds of times, usually from republicans and anarchists.
Usually in relation to historical military activities in ni or allegations of collaboration with orange order linked paramilitary criminals.

Not sure what you're rambling about, the point is that the alleged 'quote' from Corbyn doesn't actually exist. Just another disingenuous slander against Corbyn. I suggest 123543 refrain from using quotation marks until he learns how to use them properly.
Original post by Palmyra
Not sure what you're rambling about, the point is that the alleged 'quote' from Corbyn doesn't actually exist. Just another disingenuous slander against Corbyn. I suggest 123543 refrain from using quotation marks until he learns how to use them properly.


"A world of peace.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if every politician around the world instead of taking pride in the size of their Armed Forces did what Costa Rica have done and abolished their Army, and took pride in the fact they don't have an Army."

I think 123543 is most likely referring to the above cnd comments about abolishing the military or very similar content from Corbyn's morning star column.
The Sun paraphrased from both to generate a clickbait article in 2015 along the lines of 'pacifist labour leader wants to abolish uk military'.
Original post by londonmyst
"A world of peace.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if every politician around the world instead of taking pride in the size of their Armed Forces did what Costa Rica have done and abolished their Army, and took pride in the fact they don't have an Army."

I think 123543 is most likely referring to the above cnd comments about abolishing the military or very similar content from Corbyn's morning star column.
The Sun paraphrased from both to generate a clickbait article in 2015 along the lines of 'pacifist labour leader wants to abolish uk military'.

Love how you stay so polite, London :smile:
Original post by londonmyst
"A world of peace.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if every politician around the world instead of taking pride in the size of their Armed Forces did what Costa Rica have done and abolished their Army, and took pride in the fact they don't have an Army."

I think 123543 is most likely referring to the above cnd comments about abolishing the military or very similar content from Corbyn's morning star column.
The Sun paraphrased from both to generate a clickbait article in 2015 along the lines of 'pacifist labour leader wants to abolish uk military'.


So basically, it was untrue to say Corbyn said we should "defund the army" because he's susceptible to exactly the kind of tabloid journalism that seeks to maliciously and disingenuously slander Corbyn just as I noted and provided evidence of
Reply 44
Firstly, thanks for your conduct @londonmyst.

Secondly, I'd rather not be accused of being a liar @Palmyra. Where's your consideration for all the people in Labour that feel ashamed and disappointed by Corbyn's lack of leadership over antisemitism. How many Labour Lords published their frustration at Corbyn's in The Guardian?


Corbyn has called for the defunding of the army. Maybe not in direct quotations but certainly indirectly through that speech and in various other articles. Corbyn in his speech called for defunding of the army whether you like it or not.

I'm a pacifist who directly opposes interventionism, however, defunding the army (which he has called for) is not sensible and is idealism at its worst. He has directly called to "Defund NATO", which I apologise for the incorrect quotation for saying it was the army rather than NATO. However, he has expressed support for defunding the army and has directly called to "Defund NATO." That is a direct quote.

I also don't read tabloids, thanks. I'm just not a Corbyn-worshiper.

Original post by Palmyra
So basically, 123543 lied about Corbyn saying we should "defund the army" because he's susceptible to exactly the kind of tabloid journalism that seeks to maliciously and disingenuously slander Corbyn just as I noted and provided evidence of.

A person of sound character would apologise for spreading such a lie once it was discovered as such - what say you, @123543?
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Original post by 123543
I apologise for the incorrect quotation

Thanks :h:

Though that really should read quotations because 2/3 of your alleged quotations were demonstrably false.
Reply 46
He was talking about British Jews in his irony comment. This establishes my position quite well: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/24/jeremy-corbyn-antisemitism-labour-zionists-2013-speech

I also changed it to Zionists and NATO for your own happiness. Try and tell me I'm a vicious, intentionally libellous slanderer now.


(Original post by Palmyra)
Thanks :h:

Though that really should read quotations because 2/3 of your alleged quotations were demonstrably false.
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Original post by 123543
He was talking about British Jews in his irony comment.

Doesn’t matter what or who you think he was talking about. Direct quotations are for direct quotes, not for anyone to replace what was actually said with what they think was meant and use quotation marks to misrepresent that.
Original post by 123543
"Cynically exploiting it for their own political ends" what an offensive remark about people that have bravely whistleblown on Labour's utterly lacklustre policy on antisemitism complaints.

I agree about Conservatives and Islamophobia btw, but it doesn't by any stretch of imagination mitigate the sheerly appalling failure of the Corbynistas to tackle antisemitism.

There are countless examples of Corbyn demonstrating a significant predisposition to antisemitism, particularly his point about Jews and irony and calling Hamas and Hezbollah (two vitriolically antisemitic terrorist groups) his friends.


There nothing brave about it. These are all people who have never accepted Corbyn As leader snd are now jumping ship and talking to a very sympathetic media and establishments and may be well paid for doing so. Note none of the people that left labour to form s new party have held by elections. Why? Because their ideas suck and all they have are smears.,

I don’t think the conservators have an Islamophobia problem either., both these groups are whipping up a frenzy to shut down discussion.

...in the context of peace talks. Donald trump has called Kim jong his friend , does that mean he’s s North Korean Communist sympathiser?
Reply 49
Original post by Alt Tankie
There nothing brave about it. These are all people who have never accepted Corbyn As leader snd are now jumping ship and talking to a very sympathetic media and establishments and may be well paid for doing so. Note none of the people that left labour to form s new party have held by elections. Why? Because their ideas suck and all they have are smears.,

I don’t think the conservators have an Islamophobia problem either., both these groups are whipping up a frenzy to shut down discussion.

...in the context of peace talks. Donald trump has called Kim jong his friend , does that mean he’s s North Korean Communist sympathiser?

Youre absolutely right. If this was any other party, these people would have either been suspended, or expelled. They are not friends of the Labour movement. or party
Original post by Trotsky's Iceaxe
Purge. Great choice of word.

If Labour wishes to remain unelectable, by all means keep Corbyn as leader.

I'm no fan of Corbyn, in fact I have been a member of the Labour Party for a while and I'm currently not, so make your own judgement of my opinions of current the Labour Party cabinet. However the unelectable arugement makes me smile, are you saying the current Conservative party, Liberal Democrats are electable?
Reply 51
Just look at Lib Dem successes in Local, EU and by-elections at the moment. Furthermore, polling appears fairly positive for them at the moment. Of course, it's unlikely they'd get anywhere a majority, however, if we addressed FPTP we may be able to get some kind of compromise result.
Turns out the electorate aren't massive fans of racism, soviet style communism or no-deal Brexits and would prefer pragmatic, sensible politics.
Original post by Burton Bridge
I'm no fan of Corbyn, in fact I have been a member of the Labour Party for a while and I'm currently not, so make your own judgement of my opinions of current the Labour Party cabinet. However the unelectable arugement makes me smile, are you saying the current Conservative party, Liberal Democrats are electable?
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Original post by 123543
Just look at Lib Dem successes in Local, EU and by-elections at the moment. Furthermore, polling appears fairly positive for them at the moment. Of course, it's unlikely they'd get anywhere a majority, however, if we addressed FPTP we may be able to get some kind of compromise result.
Turns out the electorate aren't massive fans of racism, soviet style communism or no-deal Brexits and would prefer pragmatic, sensible politics.


The public are not fans of racism, the UKIP collapse has proved that. However bar this I'm not sure what you mean in reality, I fear you are peddling a fallacious renainer point of view that everyone who disagree's with you is some type of evil extremist, which is unsavoury, untrue and exceptionally intolerant.

If the FPTP was scrapped and PR was implemented then Nigel Farage would almost certainly become a very senior political figure, if not PM. Think about that for a minute, now Corbyn may be a lot of things but a soviet style communist he's not.

Regarding the Lib-Dems having sensible policies I will respectfully agree to differ, the Liberal Democrats had some awful policies like the rising of the tax threshold that the Conservatives have stolen as their own, that's how bad it is! They was a protest vote and I would think now Labour are a remain party, well almost anyway, there support will fall into insignificance once more.
Reply 53
I totally agree with you about UKIP.

I’m not a Liberal Democrat member, nor am I a fallacious remanier. I dont agree with the way that a lot of the FBPE crowd conduct themselves for the very reasons you point out. I’m still very reluctant on a second referendum and would much prefer a negotiated deal, however, I do recognise this is unlikely.

I always try to conduct myself in a decent and respectful manner and I have friends that are in diametrically opposite camps from me on loads of issues - from Scottish independence, to Brexit, to taxation to social issues. However, I believe that conducting yourself in a respectful manner encompasses the right to call out the very left-wing economic and social model espoused by, perhaps less so Corbyn himself, but certainly the people around him like Len McCluskey and John McDonnell. McDonnell is a self-proclaimed Marxist, and Corbyn has said that he shows admiration for Marx. The revolutionary, soviet-style communism that these people certainly are happy to affiliate with, even if they don't directly advocate for it, is certainly not what most people in Britain support.

With regards to the manner in which Boris Johnson would lead the Conservatives, he has time and time again said he would leave on the 31st of October with a no-deal - this is supported by a faction of the leave voting population - it is not a view shared by most people.

I absolutely support some form of Proportional Representation. I completely understand that it could make Nigel Farage PM, however, it would encourage sensible, moderate thinking from the Lib Dem’s, Greens and independents in a potential coalition. Leaving aside the current political landscape though, it’s only right to have a proportional system which breaks away from the two party model we have right now. Labour and the Conservatives are no longer broad churches, they are deeply divided, factionalised parties, with various factions fighting for overall power in civil wars.

The Lib Dem’s have a lot of sensible policies, but they also have some policies I disagree with, particularly on the economic side of things - hence I’m not a member. However, nobody is going to agree with 100% of a manifesto, so I don’t think they’re a protest vote, instead I believe they’re encapsulating a large middle ground left behind by Corbyn’s Labour and Johnson’s Conservatives.

Finally, I don’t think most of the ardent remainder types will vote for Labour just because they’ve moved to a second referendum. People of that ilk are likely to see right through the “constructive ambiguity” which was populism evident of the struggle they have between the Blairite, metropolitan faction and the trade union, working class leaver faction.
Original post by Burton Bridge
The public are not fans of racism, the UKIP collapse has proved that. However bar this I'm not sure what you mean in reality, I fear you are peddling a fallacious renainer point of view that everyone who disagree's with you is some type of evil extremist, which is unsavoury, untrue and exceptionally intolerant.

If the FPTP was scrapped and PR was implemented then Nigel Farage would almost certainly become a very senior political figure, if not PM. Think about that for a minute, now Corbyn may be a lot of things but a soviet style communist he's not.

Regarding the Lib-Dems having sensible policies I will respectfully agree to differ, the Liberal Democrats had some awful policies like the rising of the tax threshold that the Conservatives have stolen as their own, that's how bad it is! They was a protest vote and I would think now Labour are a remain party, well almost anyway, there support will fall into insignificance once more.
Original post by kali8603
Now they want a no confidence vote in Corbyn. I'm a member of the Labour Party, and me and my CLP are lost for words as for how these traitors can get away with talking about Corbyn the way they do. Why aren't they all removed from the party? Tom watson and the like.


Labour needs to move back to a centrist position at this current climate. As someone who does like Corbyn and his politics, he is not a leader and sadly he is an antisemite. The UK is moving to the Far Right now and i can't see someone who would vote for a socialist party with antisemites or cults... I don't know anyone who would vote Labour, not even my family who have always being Labour voters.

My CLP is right wing with a right wing MP who hates Corbyn to death. It's probably for the best, sadly, that Corbyn should face a second vote of no confidence.
Original post by 123543
I totally agree with you about UKIP.

I’m not a Liberal Democrat member, nor am I a fallacious remanier. I dont agree with the way that a lot of the FBPE crowd conduct themselves for the very reasons you point out. I’m still very reluctant on a second referendum and would much prefer a negotiated deal, however, I do recognise this is unlikely.

I always try to conduct myself in a decent and respectful manner and I have friends that are in diametrically opposite camps from me on loads of issues - from Scottish independence, to Brexit, to taxation to social issues. However, I believe that conducting yourself in a respectful manner encompasses the right to call out the very left-wing economic and social model espoused by, perhaps less so Corbyn himself, but certainly the people around him like Len McCluskey and John McDonnell. McDonnell is a self-proclaimed Marxist, and Corbyn has said that he shows admiration for Marx. The revolutionary, soviet-style communism that these people certainly are happy to affiliate with, even if they don't directly advocate for it, is certainly not what most people in Britain support.

With regards to the manner in which Boris Johnson would lead the Conservatives, he has time and time again said he would leave on the 31st of October with a no-deal - this is supported by a faction of the leave voting population - it is not a view shared by most people.

I absolutely support some form of Proportional Representation. I completely understand that it could make Nigel Farage PM, however, it would encourage sensible, moderate thinking from the Lib Dem’s, Greens and independents in a potential coalition. Leaving aside the current political landscape though, it’s only right to have a proportional system which breaks away from the two party model we have right now. Labour and the Conservatives are no longer broad churches, they are deeply divided, factionalised parties, with various factions fighting for overall power in civil wars.

The Lib Dem’s have a lot of sensible policies, but they also have some policies I disagree with, particularly on the economic side of things - hence I’m not a member. However, nobody is going to agree with 100% of a manifesto, so I don’t think they’re a protest vote, instead I believe they’re encapsulating a large middle ground left behind by Corbyn’s Labour and Johnson’s Conservatives.

Finally, I don’t think most of the ardent remainder types will vote for Labour just because they’ve moved to a second referendum. People of that ilk are likely to see right through the “constructive ambiguity” which was populism evident of the struggle they have between the Blairite, metropolitan faction and the trade union, working class leaver faction.


In that case I apologise for jumping the gun I'm really pleased my fear has been proved to be incorrect. When I have more time I will continue this conversation, I look forward to it.

I've made this post on dictaphone so it might not make sense but I just wanted to post this up quickly because I obviously owe you an apology.
What exactly must Corbyn / Labour do to convince the world that they are not antisemitic?
Original post by Burton Bridge
I'm no fan of Corbyn, in fact I have been a member of the Labour Party for a while and I'm currently not, so make your own judgement of my opinions of current the Labour Party cabinet. However the unelectable arugement makes me smile, are you saying the current Conservative party, Liberal Democrats are electable?


Not only that, who would replace him? Yvette Cooper? 😂

Tbf the only anti Corbyn labour MP with any charisma is Hilary Benn but the membership is rightly opposed to his NeoCon views.
Original post by Arran90
What exactly must Corbyn / Labour do to convince the world that they are not antisemitic?


Being antisemitic is, frankly, the least of Corbyn's problems as a potential prime minister. He has no leadership qualities whatever (indeed, he appears to be a puppet figure), is a pacifist who has stated he would not use Britain's nuclear deterrent under any circumstances (demonstrating that he does not understand it), supports revolutionary groups over Britain, and would rip the British economy apart with marxist policies. That Labour is not miles ahead of the current government in the polls is a telling indictment on just how bad the electorate deems Corbyn's mob to be.
Reply 59
This.
Original post by Good bloke
Being antisemitic is, frankly, the least of Corbyn's problems as a potential prime minister. He has no leadership qualities whatever (indeed, he appears to be a puppet figure), is a pacifist who has stated he would not use Britain's nuclear deterrent under any circumstances (demonstrating that he does not understand it), supports revolutionary groups over Britain, and would rip the British economy apart with marxist policies. That Labour is not miles ahead of the current government in the polls is a telling indictment on just how bad the electorate deems Corbyn's mob to be.

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