"Send Her Back! "

By telling them to 'go back to where they originally came from', he made clear he didn't think they were really from America, which they were.

But that's not what you were accusing him of. You're saying the reason he told them to go back was BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE. Where did he say that?

I’m not suggesting you should praise Katie Hopkins, I’m just suggesting you shouldn’t assume everything she says is disagreeable just because a lot of it is. I’m sure both Adi and Katie have said things you’d agree with.

But that's not what you were accusing him of. You're saying the reason he told them to go back was BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE. Where did he say that?

Yeah they're might have been, but I could not ignore the horrible things they've done in the past which they continue to do and have no remorse for.

But that's not what you were accusing him of. You're saying the reason he told them to go back was BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE. Where did he say that?

Because it obviously was. Why would he be telling them to 'go back to where they originally came from', if not?
The obvious, and only, implication is that he is saying they aren't 'originally from' America because they are ethnic minorities.

‘Horrible things they’ve done’ - Katie Hopkins made some bigoted comments, Hitler indirectly cause the deaths of tens of millions of people, well done for showing the lunacy of your comparison.

The point is just because Katie Hopkins has said things in the past that are disagreeable it doesn’t mean all future comments should be disregarded on that basis.

I'm not contending any of that. Suggesting that someone wasn't born in a particular country isn't racism.

You seem to enjoy snipping quotes to suit your argument. What I said was that it would have made significantly less sense had he said it to a white congressman. White Americans tend to have heritage from Northern and Central Europe or Scandinavia, countries who's governments are at least as healthy as the American government.

And how is it clear that any of the people he was referring to are 'from' that country? This would be made much clearer if you actually explained what requirements a person has to fulfil in order to be considered American.

What a surprise, yet more things I didn't say. What I said was that if you talk about having foreign heritage then it's fair for other people to point out that you have foreign heritage. In talking about where they 'originally came from' he's clearly referring to their family heritage.

Yes, I would say they were motivated by racism.

Hopkins literally called for a "final solution" for a group of people who believe in a certain religion. Pretty similar to Adolf if you ask me.

Once she shows remorse for her past then I will consider the content of her comments.

But my original point wasn't about any of that, it was about how the POTUS should be more careful when choosing who he supports seeing as he is one of the most powerful people on this planet and it sends a message when he retweets someone with those views.

Why not judge her individual comments on an individual basis?

That's where we disagree. Throughout history, an extremely common trope used against ethnic minorities is that they are not really 'from' the country they reside in. That somehow they are outsiders, or less 'American/British/ insert nationality, than others.

Those people were American citizens, who were born in America. However you slice it, they are 'originally from America', and saying otherwise, just because they are ethnic minorities is racist. Why would someone deny that people from ethnic minority backgrounds are 'originally from America'?

Being born in America, having citizenship there and having grown up there are all pretty good indicators that you are indeed American. On what basis were they not 'originally from' America?

Having foreign heritage is extremely different to saying you're not 'originally from' America, when the person was born, raised and grew up in America.

But also, your double standards here are quite telling. You seem to think it's fine for you to explain what Trump 'meant' or was 'referring to' even though he didn't say it, yet it's not okay for others to say what Trump 'meant'.

No one ever judges comments in isolation. We all have our opinions formed and then look at the comment. Right wing people don't look at the positive things that Jeremy Corbyn has said because they already don't like him for the other stuff he has said. Similarly people on the left aren't going to look at individual comments made by Theresa May on cutting homelessness because of her previous policies.

He didn't explicitly say it was because of their race, but you'd have to stretch like Mr Fantastic to claim it wasn't.

He singled out 4 congresswomen and attacked them, saying they should go back to their country, because by holding progressive views they were apparently anti- American. 3 of the 4 are US citizens by birth, only Ilhan Omar was born outside of the US, and moved there as a child. He used overtly racist rhetoric (go back to your own country) against a group of 4 congresswomen, who aren't the only progressives in Congress, but who happen to all be people of colour. You'd already have to be pretty charitable to suggest that using overtly racist rhetoric towards people of colour from America wasn't racist, but given Trump has a history of white nationalism (insisting Obama wasn't born in America) and just flat out racism (the central park 5), would such charity be fair? Absolutely not. Anyone denying trump is a racist at this point lacks any integrity or honesty, they are lacking in shame and decency.

Agree, definitely race plays a part here, when 3 out of the 4 are US born citizens too, how will Kellyanne Conway whitewash this I wonder?

When you say 'throughout history' you are aware that until after the second world war virtually everyone living in Britain was white? This history you're referring to spans about 70 years. Just because other people have suggested ethnic minorities aren't 'from' somewhere it doesn't mean everyone who does it is racist. If Trump had just tweeted 'go home' and tagged the four of them then you'd have a point but he provided further comment and told them to come back, something I'm sure most racists don't do.



Here you go again. As I, and now numerous other people, have said, you do not know that he only said it because they are not white.

I think we can distinguish Ilhan Omar from the rest of them; she wasn't born in America and neither of her parents are American. To say that she isn't originally from the US is not unreasonable.



I'm not asking for indicators, I'm asking for a rigid set of requirements someone must fulfil in order to be considered American in your opinion.



It's clear what he meant when you apply context to the quote. Clearly he knew they're American citizens and perhaps he did think they were all born abroad but it seems far more likely that he was referring to their family origin. The difference in what we're saying is you're implying motive into what he said.

Because it obviously was. Why would he be telling them to 'go back to where they originally came from', if not?
The obvious, and only, implication is that he is saying they aren't 'originally from' America because they are ethnic minorities.

So in other words, he didn't say it.

Wow, what an Eureka moment for Trumpophobes! Nothing racist at all in his comments.