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I am about to begin F1 next week and I have reached the decision that i would like to specialise in ICM/General practice.
However, i cannot find any information on this combination although I have heard of people who have gone down this route.
I can see information for dual CCT for emergency medicine, anaesthesia or respiratory medicine. Can anyone guide me to where I can find more information online for ICM/GP?

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(Original post by DReamer11)
I am about to begin F1 next week and I have reached the decision that i would like to specialise in ICM/General practice.
However, i cannot find any information on this combination although I have heard of people who have gone down this route.
I can see information for dual CCT for emergency medicine, anaesthesia or respiratory medicine. Can anyone guide me to where I can find more information online for ICM/GP?

Thanks in advance
I don't think you can gain dual CCTs in GP and ICM in the same way you can with ICM and anaesthetics (for example). Like you've said, the typical pairings are with anaesthetics, EM, resp, renal, and acute medicine. Even within those groupings, some training posts are far less prevalent than others e.g. ICM and acute medicine.

I think the only way you could do this and appear on the GMC register as a specialist in both would be to complete training in one and then start training in the other. Which is very different to what the dual ICM/anaesthetics regs do.

Final thing: just...why? I can't think of two specialties which are less alike. How is it going to work post-CCT?

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I don't think you can gain dual CCTs in GP and ICM in the same way you can with ICM and anaesthetics (for example). Like you've said, the typical pairings are with anaesthetics, EM, resp, renal, and acute medicine. Even within those groupings, some training posts are far less prevalent than others e.g. ICM and acute medicine.

I think the only way you could do this and appear on the GMC register as a specialist in both would be to complete training in one and then start training in the other. Which is very different to what the dual ICM/anaesthetics regs do.

Final thing: just...why? I can't think of two specialties which are less alike. How is it going to work post-CCT?

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Indeed, I'm pretty sure the specialties you've named are the only ones you can do a dual CCT with ICM, it's not like you can just pick two random specialties and dual certify in them. GP and ICM are hugely different and the people doing them are often quite different too.
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As above. Only way would be to complete one training program and then start the other - there is no way to dual them. I am not aware of any GPs who practice ICM, or intensivists who practice GP. The only trainee outside of the anaesthetics/ED/AIM/Resp/Renal (the only specialties allowed to dual with ICM, according to the GMC and FICM) that I know of was a cardiologist, who snuck in by starting AIM/ICM dual and then reapplied for a cardiology number. Once the deanery and GMC found out about this he was removed from ICM training.
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This seems like a very unconventional combination to dual train in!

Here is the faculty’s website on combining ICM training with another specialty:

https://www.ficm.ac.uk/curriculum/dual-cct-guidance
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