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From what I've seen of the political views of most 16 year olds I've seen here, f*** no.
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The reason to lower it are weak at best, they ultimately fall into two categories:
1) arguing that the argument against lowering is weak, generally going for the argument about maturity etc at 16 and saying it is also true at 18 and therefore should be lowered;
2) arguing based on rights acquired at 16 while conveniently ignoring a lot of the caveats to those rights, namely that so many require parental consent until you're 18, and ignores just how many rights you get at the age of 18, even when you exclude those which required parental consent before 18. A number of these rights are pretty significant and are far more appropriate things to consider when it comes to deciding who makes our laws, these include being able to become a lawmaker yourself, being able to serve on a jury (making assessments about the law and whether it's been broken or not), being tried in a magistrates court (fully subject to the law). You also have a very long list of other things such as marriage without consent, medical studies, drink alcohol, get tattoos, access pornography, drive a greater number of vehicles. At 18 there are very few things you cannot do due to not being old enough, pretty much all you have left is a few minimum wage bumps, and at 21 adoption and supervising learner drivers (and a few more vehicles).

The case for votes at 16 is normally based on rights, if you want to make it based on rights there is no case.
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Sometimes, hearing a lot of stuff about Brexit, knife crime and more stuff makes me feel annoyed that I don't have a say for a long time? Do you feel like that too?
Oh of course we should be able to vote. If i am able to have a baby and legally bring it up, I should be able to decide what I want to happen to the country that I live in. The idea that young people are uninformed are ridiculous, the common idea of a 'chav' is not going to vote. We will not be manipulated by politicians, as 40 year old men can be manipulated too, so what is the difference? We forget that in our own country, 14 year olds went to war not even 100 years ago, so why can't a 16 year old vote
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Absolutely not. I’d be in favour of raising the voting age, in fact.

Generally speaking a 16 year old doesn’t have nearly enough life experience, isn’t mature or developed enough to make such decisions.
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if 16 year olds were to vote, a higher proportion of the country would be considered and represented.
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Absolutely not. I’d be in favour of raising the voting age, in fact.

Generally speaking a 16 year old doesn’t have nearly enough life experience, isn’t mature or developed enough to make such decisions.
there are many adults who make irresponsible decisions, so why can't we?
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(Original post by MathsMania)
if 16 year olds were to vote, a higher proportion of the country would be considered and represented.

there are many adults who make irresponsible decisions, so why can't we?
Why stop at 16 then if you think you aren't considered or represented without a vote, why have any restrictions at all? If there are no prohibitions at all then absolutely everybody would be considered and represented.
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I had no idea when I turned 18 never mind 16.

16 year old's are susceptible to propaganda and are easy to win over. It's fine how it is.
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As a 16 year old, I would love to say yes so I could vote now. But no, absolutely not. Most 16 year olds have not formed strong enough or any political opinions, meaning they are wide open to indoctrination from parents, teachers etc.
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(Original post by MathsMania)
if 16 year olds were to vote, a higher proportion of the country would be considered and represented.

there are many adults who make irresponsible decisions, so why can't we?
So using your logic why not scrap it entirely then? Let’s have five year olds voting, yeah?

Why can’t you? Because the line has the be drawn somewhere and it’s currently been drawn at 18.
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Not for elections, things like referendums are a tad different as they arent regularly scheduled and could be a once in a lifetime thing that has consequences for generations.
In general 16 year olds are far too immature and dont know as much as they think they do the majority of the time
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Check out the year 11s, most are very immature
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Tory party doesn't approve of the voting but Labour party does.
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No way. If you lower to 16, why not 15? I am sixteen and most of the people my age are incapable of voting and are mostly reactionaries,so no I would not want them voting.
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None of our age related legislation in this country has any real consistency. You can join the army at 16, legally be a parent from 16 years and 9 months (assuming you get a nut day of hitting age of consent and don't have a premature baby), so you're trusted to be able to train in order to die for the country, and you're trusted to be able to give birth, not harm your baby during pregnancy and then take care of your baby, all before the age of 17.

17 however is the cut off point before you're trusted behind the wheel of a car. Can have a moped at 16 though, as though that's somehow less dangerous. At 16 your train tickets turn to adult tickets, whereas my local bus offers a special type of ticket for anybody under 19. You're also not allowed to buy booze until 18 even though most of us will have had a bash at trying some from our early-mid teens.

And you can't vote on ANY of these things until you're 18. For some reason.

With these facts in mind, **** it. Lower it to 16. If I can already learn to shoot a gun in the army at 16 I may as well be allowed to shoot myself in the foot via the political system while I'm at it.
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I don't think so. 16 years of age is still too young. Better to feel their younger times first, and be mature enough. 😅😄😄
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(Original post by Retired_Messiah)
None of our age related legislation in this country has any real consistency. You can join the army at 16, legally be a parent from 16 years and 9 months (assuming you get a nut day of hitting age of consent and don't have a premature baby), so you're trusted to be able to train in order to die for the country, and you're trusted to be able to give birth, not harm your baby during pregnancy and then take care of your baby, all before the age of 17.

17 however is the cut off point before you're trusted behind the wheel of a car. Can have a moped at 16 though, as though that's somehow less dangerous. At 16 your train tickets turn to adult tickets, whereas my local bus offers a special type of ticket for anybody under 19. You're also not allowed to buy booze until 18 even though most of us will have had a bash at trying some from our early-mid teens.

And you can't vote on ANY of these things until you're 18. For some reason.

With these facts in mind, **** it. Lower it to 16. If I can already learn to shoot a gun in the army at 16 I may as well be allowed to shoot myself in the foot via the political system while I'm at it.
Whilst I’d agree that it is somewhat inconsistent that’s not a good enough reason for lowering the voting age.
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Hell no. Even when I was 16, I was firmly against people of my age having the right to vote. I'm beginning to think even 18 is too young.
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will it make any significant difference :question: :curious:
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(Original post by Obolinda)
will it make any significant difference :question: :curious:
Possibly. A 16 year old is much more likely to be indoctrinated by parents, teachers and the such.

Which is why a lot on the left love the idea. They know younger people tend to be more left leaning whilst older people tend to lean more towards the right.

But then again most young people are too lazy to vote.
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Well issues like Brexit affect us more, so yeah.
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