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(Original post by Alexty28)
If you voted for BREXIT you are a white supremacist, end of story. I do not have to back up my argument with facts nor have a reasonable debate. Because I do not reason with people who are worse than the Nazis. The only reason you support BREXIT is because you hate all immigrants and hate all other European countries, you bigots. It has nothing to do with sovereignty or the EU undermining Westminster, it's just you being a racist, white supremacist, Nazi. We need to create a European state, even though there are 24 official languages across the EU and completely different cultures and political systems. The only way we can end racism and white supremacy is by creating the United States of Europe.

I will not argue with any old, working class, uneducated Nazis who voted for BREXIT, I have a degree you know. It might not have anything to do with politics and/or economics, but the fact I have a degree means I know whats best for you.
Do you know me? I mean that definitely sounds just like me, however I also cannot provide any facts to back that up.
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One thing only is needed. The guts to tell 17.4 million they were hoodwinked.
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(Original post by ColinDent)
Do you know me? I mean that definitely sounds just like me, however I also cannot provide any facts to back that up.
I know you, Colin. Nothing left
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Nothing apart from the fanatical chest beating of 17.4 million. Be honest... it was all you ever had!
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(Original post by ColinDent)
Not entirely true, it's partly due to the weakening of the pound
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49048822

But can you please provide a specific breakdown of which of the 1000 plus lines which are on the rise are directly as a result of this and how many are down to other outside influences, stuff like this from Reuters.

Non-perishable food prices rose at the highest rate since February 2013, up 3.4 percent on the year - a sharp increase on February's rate of 1.5 percent. A global rise in cereals prices and unfavourable conditions for onions, potatoes and cabbages in Britain last year had pushed up wholesale prices, the BRC said.2 Apr 2019

https://uk.reuters.com › article

Can you also please explain how the prices of over 120 lines have been reduced even with the weak pound.
Please stop trying to pass off everything bad as being directly and entirely down to brexit.
Can you please explain how a devaluation of the pound won't cause import prices to rise? Only that is what you seem to be doing.
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(Original post by ByEeek)
Can you please explain how a devaluation of the pound won't cause import prices to rise? Only that is what you seem to be doing.
Did you read the article? It does state that it's only partly down to the drop in the value of the pound, you don't seem to grasp the concept that there are also other outside forces that affect supermarket pricing.
Now do be a good chap and share with all of us this detailed breakdown you appear to have.
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(Original post by Vinny C)
I know you, Colin. Nothing left
Fortunately for me we both know that to be untrue.
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(Original post by Alexty28)
If you voted for BREXIT you are a white supremacist, end of story. I do not have to back up my argument with facts nor have a reasonable debate. Because I do not reason with people who are worse than the Nazis. The only reason you support BREXIT is because you hate all immigrants and hate all other European countries, you bigots. It has nothing to do with sovereignty or the EU undermining Westminster, it's just you being a racist, white supremacist, Nazi. We need to create a European state, even though there are 24 official languages across the EU and completely different cultures and political systems. The only way we can end racism and white supremacy is by creating the United States of Europe.

I will not argue with any old, working class, uneducated Nazis who voted for BREXIT, I have a degree you know. It might not have anything to do with politics and/or economics, but the fact I have a degree means I know whats best for you.
Sounds like an Owen Jones quote.
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(Original post by ColinDent)
Fortunately for me we both know that to be untrue.
You have the same as you ever had... fanatical chest beating and cries of 17.4 million. No plan, no solution, no truth. Even your policy is we must deliver... not we must find a solution.
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most liberal left remainees aren’t actually chiefly concerned by the economy but by moralistic concerns eg they see the eurosceptic movement as intrinsically part of the far right and want to stop it no matter what. If one day the likes of Orban or Salvini were in charge of the EU you can be sure that many if not all liberal labour supporters,,Lib Dem’s and Green Party members would pivot towards Brexit regardless of the economic cost .
Thats a very bold claim to make on behalf of 16 million odd people...
And since when do they view all europhobes as far right//?
The liberal left have become reactionary as they can sense their beliefs are under threat and are losing their popular support. There are many reasons why this is the case but one is that they have lost their radicalism- instead of defining themselves as the opposite of Farage (wise in some cases as that may be) they should instead make their own arguments as to what a genuinely left wing alternative should look like.
Arent you a self confessed commie? I'm not sure you're in a position to be casting stones on this count..
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Thats a very bold claim to make on behalf of 16 million odd people...
And since when do they view all europhobes as far right//?
Wrong and out of context again.

He's not talking about all the 16 million just a fraction of them.
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(Original post by Alexty28)
If you voted for BREXIT you are a white supremacist, end of story. I do not have to back up my argument with facts nor have a reasonable debate. Because I do not reason with people who are worse than the Nazis. The only reason you support BREXIT is because you hate all immigrants and hate all other European countries, you bigots. It has nothing to do with sovereignty or the EU undermining Westminster, it's just you being a racist, white supremacist, Nazi. We need to create a European state, even though there are 24 official languages across the EU and completely different cultures and political systems. The only way we can end racism and white supremacy is by creating the United States of Europe.

I will not argue with any old, working class, uneducated Nazis who voted for BREXIT, I have a degree you know. It might not have anything to do with politics and/or economics, but the fact I have a degree means I know whats best for you.
Here we go reference my post #7

You really need too look up the definition of bigoted/bigot and then you may wish to veiw yourself.
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Wrong and out of context again.
He's not talking about all the 16 million just a fraction of them.
Sigh. why are you quoting me again? I thought you buggered off back into your self described socialist hole?
Either way, to your 'comment'; no.
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(Original post by Vinny C)
One thing only is needed. The guts to tell 17.4 million they were hoodwinked.
They've been told repeatedly, they're just so oblivious they refuse to acknowledge it.
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Here we go reference my post #7

You really need too look up the definition of bigoted/bigot and then you may wish to veiw yourself.
I believe that particular post to be tongue in cheek.
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You have the same as you ever had... fanatical chest beating and cries of 17.4 million. No plan, no solution, no truth. Even your policy is we must deliver... not we must find a solution.
Are you Jordan Henderson?

https://youtu.be/y7w1ajC5taM
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(Original post by Napp)
They've been told repeatedly, they're just so oblivious they refuse to acknowledge it.
We've been told how bad everything is and will be ever since pre referendum, yet very little of what we have been told has in fact materialised.
I may have asked you this before but can you give me the facts ( totally unequivocal and 100% accurate) of what will happen if we leave the EU without a deal?
I'm not interested in opinions of those with vested interests or indeed in any opinions at all, just plain facts of what will actually happen that you can prove because you seem to know exactly that.
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(Original post by Burton Bridge)
Wrong and out of context again.

He's not talking about all the 16 million just a fraction of them.
Napp

You’re both wrong I’m afraid.,I’m not saying that generally speaking remainers think all kea e voters are far right- what I am saying is generally remain voters think brexit is a victory for the far right- and most leave voters are useful idiots.
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(Original post by ColinDent)
Did you read the article? It does state that it's only partly down to the drop in the value of the pound, you don't seem to grasp the concept that there are also other outside forces that affect supermarket pricing.
Now do be a good chap and share with all of us this detailed breakdown you appear to have.
I understand the supermarket business very well thank you. My bother is a seniour manager for one. And what has happened in the last 3 years is that the margin on groveries of around 5% has fallen to less than 1%. The only thing left is to put up prices. However competition is so fierce, no supermarket is going to admit to putting up prices. But prices are going up regardless and the main driver is a devalued pound. Prices and fuel are heading one way only and in a massive way come no deal.

But its ok. Because we can make our own decisions just like we can now.
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(Original post by Alt Tankie)
I can agree with all of that. Two things though.

1: Parliament promises a referendum and was given. Leave won.

2: This is a class issue with the working class emphatically voting leave and this is being overturned by elites who think they know better (even if the actually do)

If you refuse to go understand these facts then further dialogue is pointless.

So when framed through this perspective where you have privileged telling the dirty plebs that actually they didn’t like the way they voted, I think an emotional reaction is quite justified.
Parliament promised a referendum - which Leave won - and has attempted to unite behind a plan forward. The problem, though, is that there are so many visions of Brexit and interpretations of the referendum result that it's incredibly difficult to find consensus across the House. Not to mention, Parliament has a duty to adequately represent the 48% that voted to Remain - striking a balance between the demands of the 52% and the views of the 48%.

Brexit is a class issue. But it can also be seen as an age issue (which I believe is the most pertinent of the demographics), an educational attainment issue, or a geographic issue (London, Scotland, & a handful of big cities voting Remain). It's shameful how some figures have attempted to twist the fears and concerns of the working-classes - it's our government that are to blame for the NHS crisis, lack of affordable housing, austerity etc.
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