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A general election in the Autumn looks highly likely. Johnson won't be able to meet the demands from the ERG wing of his party for a Hard Brexit, the Irish backstop will remain unreconcilable with the DUP and ERG and his airy predictions that he can resolve it will prove to be so much hot air. Therefore Boris will have to go to the country in October, before the crucial deadline (which wasn't crucial at all until Brexiteers said it was) of Oct 31st.

Labour could win this - but only with a new leader. Corbyn is hopelessly unlikely to win or even match his performance at the last election. Boris is a far better candidate and although he will have had a few months to demonstrate his substantial capacity for screwing up, he will still look an attractive option compared to Jezza.

Corbyn's heart is in the right place, but he isn't the right person for the job. Labour needs to come out squarely for a second referendum and Remain. They need to take a lead and actively try to persuade. The working class voters in the poorer areas were conned by Farage and the right wing media. It will need a strong, effective leader to challenge that and one who can bring together the middle class and working class Remainers.

There is a big opportunity because Farage's Brexit party are going to take Tory votes in many areas. But someone other than Corbyn is needed to make that opportunity happen.

Without that, we may as well throw in the towel now, because the future looks bleak under a Johnson majority government:

- a Hard Brexit
- the ending of the UK - Scotland will secede and possibly Wales
- permanent right wing Tory rule in England
- a race to the bottom economy on taxes
- harsh reductions in worker rights, marginalised employees, massive unemployment, lower wages and increased temporary and insecure work
- huge cuts to public services on a scale not seen since the 19th century
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Yeah, Corbyn seemed to be stung by that remark at PMQs. Something about realising when you're on the way out.
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Been saying this about JC for ages and ages. He is impotent.
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(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
A general election in the Autumn looks highly likely. Johnson won't be able to meet the demands from the ERG wing of his party for a Hard Brexit, the Irish backstop will remain unreconcilable with the DUP and ERG and his airy predictions that he can resolve it will prove to be so much hot air. Therefore Boris will have to go to the country in October, before the crucial deadline (which wasn't crucial at all until Brexiteers said it was) of Oct 31st.

Labour could win this - but only with a new leader. Corbyn is hopelessly unlikely to win or even match his performance at the last election. Boris is a far better candidate and although he will have had a few months to demonstrate his substantial capacity for screwing up, he will still look an attractive option compared to Jezza.

Corbyn's heart is in the right place, but he isn't the right person for the job. Labour needs to come out squarely for a second referendum and Remain. They need to take a lead and actively try to persuade. The working class voters in the poorer areas were conned by Farage and the right wing media. It will need a strong, effective leader to challenge that and one who can bring together the middle class and working class Remainers.

There is a big opportunity because Farage's Brexit party are going to take Tory votes in many areas. But someone other than Corbyn is needed to make that opportunity happen.

Without that, we may as well throw in the towel now, because the future looks bleak under a Johnson majority government:

- a Hard Brexit
- the ending of the UK - Scotland will secede and possibly Wales
- permanent right wing Tory rule in England
- a race to the bottom economy on taxes
- harsh reductions in worker rights, marginalised employees, massive unemployment, lower wages and increased temporary and insecure work
- huge cuts to public services on a scale not seen since the 19th century
You continue to doubt the resolve of the British people. Be more positive.
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You continue to doubt the resolve of the British people. Be more positive.
About what exactly? The effects of a Hard Brexit?
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About what exactly? The effects of a Hard Brexit?
The idea that you are willing to do anything to get your way. You don't care about deal or no deal, you want to remain. So getting rid of the Tories is your next hope. You also don't want Corbyn because he wont get you what you want, which is to go against the will of the British people.
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What we need is a Lib Dem government who actually acts on what they say + lots of green seats to sort out our environment and climate
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- a Hard Brexit
- the ending of the UK - Scotland will secede and possibly Wales
- permanent right wing Tory rule in England
- a race to the bottom economy on taxes
- harsh reductions in worker rights, marginalised employees, massive unemployment, lower wages and increased temporary and insecure work
- huge cuts to public services on a scale not seen since the 19th century
All sounds good to me!
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There isnt a hope in hell of this happening.
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The idea that you are willing to do anything to get your way.
Pots and kettles.
You don't care about deal or no deal, you want to remain.
The two arent mutually exclusive:rolleyes:
getting rid of the Tories is your next hope.
It's probably quite a few peoples hope. Especially as they have no mandate for their new regime.
which is to go against the will of the British people.
With all due respect but these words have more than passing resemblance to those spoken by every tin pot dictator in history. Not to mention you seem to be grossly perverting what "the british people" are. 1) Only about 30 odd percent of the electorate voted for this and 2) a large majority have indicated, in every single poll taken, that they are opposed to a hard Brexit. Something you and fellow europhobes seem to fancy for some incomprehensible reason.
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Let me guess, you want him replaced by a Blairite or liberal?
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The idea that you are willing to do anything to get your way. You don't care about deal or no deal, you want to remain. So getting rid of the Tories is your next hope. You also don't want Corbyn because he wont get you what you want, which is to go against the will of the British people.
Last time I checked, we are still a Parliamentary democracy, not some Latin American semi-dictatorship controlled by dodgy referenda and populist tycoons. For the time being anyway.

Anyway, if I was just scheming for Remain, I would only be acting patriotically. The Leave vote was manipulated by foreign interests for their own financial ends.
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You continue to doubt the resolve of the British people. Be more positive.
We like blaming others for our problems, we've spent three years since the referendum messing about because we are so indecisive, and we are the fattest nation in Europe. Resolve and British people shouldn't be used in the same sentence.
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Regardless of whether Corbyn is taking up the right or wrong positions and strategies as Labour leader he just isn't making any impact, he's consistently failed to get his voice heard, he's just got no charisma, he"s not presenting himself as a dynamo of change or new ideas, and in politics that stuff, rightly or wrongly, translates into votes.
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Let me guess, you want him replaced by a Blairite or liberal?
Replaced by someone capable of building a consensus and winning a majority in the House of Commons will suffice.
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We like blaming others for our problems, we've spent three years since the referendum messing about because we are so indecisive, and we are the fattest nation in Europe. Resolve and British people shouldn't be used in the same sentence.
It is because we have had Remainers trying to do Brexit. We knew it would not have worked, but we tried it anyway.
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First time we’ve agreed FOS, Corbyn is useless.
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First time we’ve agreed FOS, Corbyn is useless.
Do you want Labour to win an election though? If so, we are agreed.

I'm not calling for a Blairite solution by the way. There are other good candidates. John McDonnell would be better than Corbyn as leader. So would Keir Starmer.
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Do you want Labour to win an election though? If so, we are agreed.

I'm not calling for a Blairite solution by the way. There are other good candidates. John McDonnell would be better than Corbyn as leader. So would Keir Starmer.
Left of centre without being able to be presented as a communist would appeal to a silent majority in the country who, despite attempts at polarisation, are still broadly speaking centrist.
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A general election in the Autumn looks highly likely. Johnson won't be able to meet the demands from the ERG wing of his party for a Hard Brexit, the Irish backstop will remain unreconcilable with the DUP and ERG and his airy predictions that he can resolve it will prove to be so much hot air. Therefore Boris will have to go to the country in October, before the crucial deadline (which wasn't crucial at all until Brexiteers said it was) of Oct 31st.

Labour could win this - but only with a new leader. Corbyn is hopelessly unlikely to win or even match his performance at the last election. Boris is a far better candidate and although he will have had a few months to demonstrate his substantial capacity for screwing up, he will still look an attractive option compared to Jezza.

Corbyn's heart is in the right place, but he isn't the right person for the job. Labour needs to come out squarely for a second referendum and Remain. They need to take a lead and actively try to persuade. The working class voters in the poorer areas were conned by Farage and the right wing media. It will need a strong, effective leader to challenge that and one who can bring together the middle class and working class Remainers.

There is a big opportunity because Farage's Brexit party are going to take Tory votes in many areas. But someone other than Corbyn is needed to make that opportunity happen.

Without that, we may as well throw in the towel now, because the future looks bleak under a Johnson majority government:

- a Hard Brexit
- the ending of the UK - Scotland will secede and possibly Wales
- permanent right wing Tory rule in England
- a race to the bottom economy on taxes
- harsh reductions in worker rights, marginalised employees, massive unemployment, lower wages and increased temporary and insecure work
- huge cuts to public services on a scale not seen since the 19th century
As much as it pains me to say it, I think you're right. I voted for Corbyn during the leadership contest because I believe he genuinely cares about the working-classes - prepared to standup to 40 years of neo-liberal hardship that has plagued the lives of millions & millions up and down this country. But I don't think the man can win an election. We need strong opposition now more than ever - sadly JC just lacks the charisma & comes with too much baggage (a great deal of which unwarranted sadly) to put up a good fight. The anti-Semitism controversy is being very well spun by the media & coined with a disgruntled PLP, this is the weakest and most disunited Labour party I've seen in years.

Who would you like to see as the next leader?
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