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Do I think graduates or apprentices will earn more? Well in the short term, apprentices will definitely earn more - three years experience is hard to compete with even if you have a first class degree from Cambridge. In the long term, apprentices are also more likely to earn more as they have additional qualifications in the apprenticeship standard/framework that demonstrate a range of competencies. However, some companies look for degrees from top unis so that could hinder your salary.

I did not do alevels, I did an advanced apprenticeship that progresses onto a HNC, HND then a BEng (if my company decide to keep me on).

First of all, it is not worth having a two hour commute at all - "A study by the University of West England found that adding 20 minutes to your daily commute has the same negative effect on job satisfaction as receiving a 19 percent pay cut. In fact, every extra minute commuting lowered satisfaction with their job and leisure time". You will not enjoy your job with a 2 hour commute.

Still apply for companies you feel like you have no chance with - you are competing with other people who don't stand out and if they see something in your cover letter (or answers to questions) you may get an interview. Even if you don't you will gain valuable experience with making applications.

There is always something that can help you stand out - were you part of any clubs or societies, have you had any jobs, have you started any businesses (car wash, mowing lawns), have you got any hobbies, can you play an instruments, can you solve a rubiks cube - literally anything.
thanks, I do work, play football a bit, i like cars, other than that i dont really have any hobbies I will definitely look at learning a new skill before I go back to education later this year
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thanks for all of your help guys, appreciate it alot
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thanks, I do work, play football a bit, i like cars, other than that i dont really have any hobbies I will definitely look at learning a new skill before I go back to education later this year
That is enough, companies aren't looking for some perfect person who has been playing piano since the age of 8, is registered with mensa and speaks 4 languages. They are looking for someone that they think can work well with their team, someone who has a personality and is not boring. You could even go in there and say that you can hold your breath for 3 minutes and they will be impressed. The goal is to interest them and make them want to speak to you in the interview.
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hey I have a question about social life with a degree apprenticeship/ a normal apprenticeship, how easy is it to make proper friends from university if your on day release from a degree apprenticeship?
and if its an apprenticeship how do you make friends generally because people normally get life friends from university and college, but with an apprenticeship you miss out on uni because you work

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hey I have a question about social life with a degree apprenticeship/ a normal apprenticeship, how easy is it to make proper friends from university if your on day release from a degree apprenticeship?
and if its an apprenticeship how do you make friends generally because people normally get life friends from university and college, but with an apprenticeship you miss out on uni because you work

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The social aspect is definitely better if you went to uni, this is not to say however that if you were to undertake an apprenticeship, you would have no friends. Firstly, if you are at a large company that has several apprentices, you will have absolutely no trouble making friends with people your age. Despite it being slightly more difficult, on day release, you are still able to make friends with those in your uni as well.

You shouldn't go to uni just because of the social aspect, I have known people to do that and they do not try in uni, get a bad grade and don't end up using their degree at all.
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Hi I have a couple more questions
1. Do all companies give an actual degree? I have seen some vacancies that are not accredited.
2. Do you get much spare time outside of work and socialising?
3. How many hours a week roughly do you commit to university work?
4. Do you enjoy the day to day work you do in your job?
5. What happens if you do not do well in your university exams/tasks?
6. What happens if you find that the degree apprenticeship isn't for you, what happens if you want to leave the scheme? Is this allowed? (what happens with university fees, are there any clauses or drawbacks etc)

Thanks in advance
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Hi I have a couple more questions
1. Do all companies give an actual degree? I have seen some vacancies that are not accredited.
2. Do you get much spare time outside of work and socialising?
3. How many hours a week roughly do you commit to university work?
4. Do you enjoy the day to day work you do in your job?
5. What happens if you do not do well in your university exams/tasks?
6. What happens if you find that the degree apprenticeship isn't for you, what happens if you want to leave the scheme? Is this allowed? (what happens with university fees, are there any clauses or drawbacks etc)

Thanks in advance
1. I don't really know what is considered to not be an 'actual degree'. They tend to be at worse unis but you will still get a BEng/BSc/BA etc.
2. Yes, I work 37 hours a week with a few hours committed to college/uni - I work 0645 - 3ish with flexitime.
3. Few hours - college is a full 8+ hr day so I have no trouble getting my work done
4. Not particularly, it is work and as much as i thought that I'd enjoy going to work each day, I don't particularly
5. If I don't do well, i can't progress onto higher qualifications. If I fail, my company have cause for termination.
6. You can leave the scheme at any point, some companies may have in the contract that you have to pay back the fees if you quit, but this is uncommon. Employers get levy (paid by government) so they generally don't pay for it themselves.
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1. I don't really know what is considered to not be an 'actual degree'. They tend to be at worse unis but you will still get a BEng/BSc/BA etc.
2. Yes, I work 37 hours a week with a few hours committed to college/uni - I work 0645 - 3ish with flexitime.
3. Few hours - college is a full 8+ hr day so I have no trouble getting my work done
4. Not particularly, it is work and as much as i thought that I'd enjoy going to work each day, I don't particularly
5. If I don't do well, i can't progress onto higher qualifications. If I fail, my company have cause for termination.
6. You can leave the scheme at any point, some companies may have in the contract that you have to pay back the fees if you quit, but this is uncommon. Employers get levy (paid by government) so they generally don't pay for it themselves.
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hi everyone, i began my apprenticeship in september 2018 and i am happy to answer any questions you may have if you are unsure or are just curious.
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Hi Everyone, I began my apprenticeship in September 2018 and I am happy to answer any questions you may have if you are unsure or are just curious.
Hi guys, i've been an apprentice for 9 months now and it's been fantastic, however I missed the constant brain stimulation school would give me in loads different topics. However, there is a way to have the best of both worlds. For me, my friends and others alike, i created a newsletter to provide apprentices/those who have not pursued higher education the material to engage in intellectual texts they wouldn't usually encounter in their everyday lives. Hundreds of topics are covered via 3 digestible chunks via videos and articles documentaries, and even games!

its just an intellectual space where you can become more well rounded by only devoting a few minutes of your time each week.

You can find out more about how the newsletter works on this link

https://mailchi.mp/c62607a60100/monday-surf

There are of course loads of ways you can keep yourself up to date on a range of topics, i like using quora's general knowledge thread and youtube videos!

I hope this was useful!!
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HiPlease could you give me some pointers on interview questions and best things to put on application forms for my son? It's for Civil Engineering Degree Apprenticeships. Thanks!
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HiPlease could you give me some pointers on interview questions and best things to put on application forms for my son? It's for Civil Engineering Degree Apprenticeships. Thanks!
The biggest pointer that I can think of is to understand that the employer is not looking for an expert, they are looking for someone who can learn and become a civil engineer.

When in interviews and doing applications make sure to use many examples of times when you have demonstrated certain skills and traits - when have you gone above and beyond etc.

Another generic application tip is to look at the job listing itself and it will say exactly what they are looking for. So if it says they are looking for "a problem solver" then make sure that you mention that you are a problem solver and maybe even provide an example.

From my experience, the questions tend to be quite generic "tell me about a time when" questions so make sure you have some lined up.

If you need anymore help let me know.
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1 mechanical manufacturing, looking to be a process engineer

2 Easy, not enough people apply for apprenticeships so it is normally not that difficult unless you're going for ExxonMobil

3 my qualifications were GCSEs, one 8, one 5 rest 6's

4 1st year 13500 + 10% in pension, increases by 1500 in second year

5 no uni, SETA which is a training company for engineering, if I do a HNC, either Southampton solent or bornemouth

6 they aren't normally 5 years, what one are you on about? They are min 3 years generally up to 4.5 years but I have seen an 8.5 year Royal navy one.

And I'm not sure what your talking about but everyone has the same level of training regardless of prior qualifications.

Hope this helps, please give me an upvote!
Tell me more... You have all the vibes and I will give both my up vote and details,, OK..
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Tell me more... You have all the vibes and I will give both my up vote and details,, OK..
I'm not sure what you are specifically looking for but I am on a degree level apprenticeship now. Earning 20250 a year, training to be a software engineer, doing a software degree (BSc), apprenticeship lasts 4 years (done 6 months). I don't know how much it goes up each time but I'm told that I'll be on over 30k by year 4.
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I'm not sure what you are specifically looking for but I am on a degree level apprenticeship now. Earning 20250 a year, training to be a software engineer, doing a software degree (BSc), apprenticeship lasts 4 years (done 6 months). I don't know how much it goes up each time but I'm told that I'll be on over 30k by year 4.
Hey! I got an assessment centre for a software engineering role I applied for Arup. Do you have any tips? Thanks
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Hey! I got an assessment centre for a software engineering role I applied for Arup. Do you have any tips? Thanks
First of all well done!

My normal advice would be to bring some kind of project/work that can show demonstrate your enthusiasm and potential for the software (it doesn't have to be good).

Another one that I think I may have mentioned on this thread is to look at the job listing, see what the company are looking for and make sure that you match them in the interview (prepare anecdotal evidence if you can).

Other than that I can only really give you generic advice - research the company, job and the interviewers themselves (if you can find out who they are).

Good luck with your interview, please let me know how you do.
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First of all well done!

My normal advice would be to bring some kind of project/work that can show demonstrate your enthusiasm and potential for the software (it doesn't have to be good).

Another one that I think I may have mentioned on this thread is to look at the job listing, see what the company are looking for and make sure that you match them in the interview (prepare anecdotal evidence if you can).

Other than that I can only really give you generic advice - research the company, job and the interviewers themselves (if you can find out who they are).

Good luck with your interview, please let me know how you do.
Thanks for your advice! I have made my own personal portfolio website using HTML/CSS, I am also learning JavaScript atm, hopefully this will be helpful.

How is your experience with Software Engineering? What technologies do you use and how is the training and workplace?
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Thanks for your advice! I have made my own personal portfolio website using HTML/CSS, I am also learning JavaScript atm, hopefully this will be helpful.

How is your experience with Software Engineering? What technologies do you use and how is the training and workplace?
Before I started, I just made a website with html, scss and some basic, copied JavaScript.

When I started 6 months ago they sent us to a 6 week intensive training course (40 hours a week) where we learned html css js sql and java. Since then we've been working on a project and we learn technologies if and when we need them at the moment. We have used things like thymeleaf, bootstrap, databasing, spring boot, api's etc.

We learn by doing and if we need help, an experienced software engineer will go over things with us.
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Following this thread, I'm a Civil Engineering Degree Apprentice and have been working in the industry since September 2017. Happy to answer any civil engineering questions people may have too!
What type of support do you get in your apprenticeship?
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Hi, after working in the water industry for eight years I've got the opportunity to study my Civil Engineering degree funded through my work as a degree apprenticeship at Portsmouth. The only stumbling block I have at the moment is our HR department wants to be 100% sure that the company can offer me enough exposure to Civil Engineering in my role in order to complete the requirements for the University.

My current role doesn't sit directly in Civil Engineering, as typically you need to have the qualifications prior to moving into this area of the business (hence me going to study). I work in Water Treatment investigating areas where we can optimise the energy usage throughout our processes. Although a lot of my work is involved with supporting businesses cases for Asset Management and the business' engineers I'm not directly involved with any capital works. I can get the exposure to visit ongoing projects in the business and have Civil Engineering colleagues however these aren't projects I can put my name on as directly involved myself.

My question is around is the level of involvement I'd need to complete a degree apprenticeship? If we are talking going out to see projects, routine inspections, studying them and writing up reports for my degree then I've got lots of colleagues in the business I can do this through. But if the level is pitched at me needing to have a project of my own (e.g. designing and building capital works such as reservoirs etc) I might struggle to do this directly through my job.

If so am I setting myself up to fail by doing a degree apprenticeship?

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Following this thread, I'm a Civil Engineering Degree Apprentice and have been working in the industry since September 2017. Happy to answer any civil engineering questions people may have too!
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