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It’s over the top when I keep hearing Labour supporters calling Boris Johnson the ‘British Trump’ and even Donald Trump approves of it.

Boris is no Trump, I never thought of him to be conservative as Nigel Farage, Priti Patel, Dominic Raab, David Davies, Steve Baker, Jacob Rees-Mogg or the late Margaret Thatcher however I do see him more less liberal than David Cameron, George Osbrorne, Theresa May, Rory Stewart, Jeremy Hunt, Michael Gove & Sajid Javid.

Do you think Boris Johnson is a liberal or not? Do you think he’ll deliver Brexit by the 31st October? Comment your thoughts
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I don't think that Boris Johnson is a "Liberal Conservative".
I believe that he will deliver Brexit on or before 31st October.
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Do you think Boris Johnson is a liberal or not? Do you think he’ll deliver Brexit by the 31st October? Comment your thoughts
Boris isn't a liberal. He is as Tory as they get. I mean - come off it. You aren't a member of the Bullington Club on the back of liberal credentials. The thing you are being confused with is that like Trump, he will say whatever he feels he has to say in order to win support. Sadly for those sucked in by his charm and bluster is that he rarely if ever delivers. He is a classic case of class over ability which even more sadly is still how our country runs. It is no surprise that some of the top jobs in our society are taken by the most incompetent. But because those people know the right people and wear the right school tie, they automatically qualify.

Of for a true meritocracy. How amazing would our country be then if we genuinely recruited the best people regardless of class and background.
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He’s a liberal.

There are actually many similarities with Trump- the only real difference is that Trump is racist and Boris genuinely isn't and Trump is more populist- that is will say (but not do alas) things that go against the liberal grain like lock up Hilary Clinton or build a wall.
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Define liberal. You guys on here seem to think that anyone who's not in favour of North Korea restrictions on immigration = ''liberal''.
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What is the point in arguing over the definitions of the word liberal? Liberty=personal freedom, therefore Jacob Rees-Mogg is the most liberal.
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(Original post by ByEeek)
Boris isn't a liberal. He is as Tory as they get. I mean - come off it. You aren't a member of the Bullington Club on the back of liberal credentials. The thing you are being confused with is that like Trump, he will say whatever he feels he has to say in order to win support. Sadly for those sucked in by his charm and bluster is that he rarely if ever delivers. He is a classic case of class over ability which even more sadly is still how our country runs. It is no surprise that some of the top jobs in our society are taken by the most incompetent. But because those people know the right people and wear the right school tie, they automatically qualify.

Of for a true meritocracy. How amazing would our country be then if we genuinely recruited the best people regardless of class and background.


What, you can’t be a liberal if you went to a boarding school?

What’s the difference between a contemporary Tory and a Liberal? Other than Brexit what illiberal positions has he taken? *


*(one can be a brexiteer and a liberal, but Brexit itself is a distinctly illiberal phenomenon
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He is (or rather was) socially fairly liberal and economically neoliberal so I would say he's a classical liberal or a liberal conservative . Personally that alone would make me support him but it's become apparent that he's a populist who doesn't really hold views for his own ideology but rather for votes
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What is the point in arguing over the definitions of the word liberal? Liberty=personal freedom, therefore Jacob Rees-Mogg is the most liberal.
Since when is he particularly big on personal freedom?
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What is the point in arguing over the definitions of the word liberal? Liberty=personal freedom, therefore Jacob Rees-Mogg is the most liberal.
Since what you wrote above is utter vague nonsense that only Mogg fanbois will accept?
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It’s over the top when I keep hearing Labour supporters calling Boris Johnson the ‘British Trump’ and even Donald Trump approves of it.

Boris is no Trump, I never thought of him to be conservative as Nigel Farage, Priti Patel, Dominic Raab, David Davies, Steve Baker, Jacob Rees-Mogg or the late Margaret Thatcher however I do see him more less liberal than David Cameron, George Osbrorne, Theresa May, Rory Stewart, Jeremy Hunt, Michael Gove & Sajid Javid.

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Define what you consider liberal?
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Open borders, same sex marriage, abortion rights, opposition of the death penalty, nationalised healthcare, etc. You know taking left wing stances
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Open borders, same sex marriage, abortion rights, opposition of the death penalty, nationalised healthcare, etc. You know taking left wing stances
Didn't know not being comfortable with letting the state execute people was a lefty-exclusive stance.
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Open borders, same sex marriage, abortion rights, opposition of the death penalty, nationalised healthcare, etc. You know taking left wing stances
Open borders - nope, not at all.
Same-sex marriage - not really in favour.
Abortion rights - I am unaware of what he believes on this.
Opposition to death penalty - unless Enoch Powell and a host of other consevatives are also ''left-wing'', this isn't an issue.
NHS - as above.

So, 0.5/5, not liberal in the least even by this very limited definition.

Keep in mind, traditional Toryism is very consistent with nationalised industries and kinda socialised, leftistish economics. Thatcherism or a form of it anyway isn't the only right-wing view on economics.
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No, Toryism is in favour of privatisation such as Royal Mail, railways and attempts to privatise the NHS and cuts of public spendings. Thatcher would be consider as hard right nowadays but she’s really a classical liberal.
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Yes, he's a Liberal Conservative. Strangely people seem to now conflate Euroscepticism with the political right, which I think would baffle quite a few socialists out there.
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Do you think Boris Johnson is a liberal or not? Do you think he’ll deliver Brexit by the 31st October? Comment your thoughts
What kind of liberal?

Classical liberal, social liberal, progressive liberal (fake liberal/traitor of liberalism) ?
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What kind of liberal?

Classical liberal, social liberal, progressive liberal (fake liberal/traitor of liberalism) ?
Social liberal. When most people nowadays use the term you’d assume it’s either ‘liberal’ or ‘progressive’.
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It’s over the top when I keep hearing Labour supporters calling Boris Johnson the ‘British Trump’ and even Donald Trump approves of it.

Boris is no Trump, I never thought of him to be conservative as Nigel Farage, Priti Patel, Dominic Raab, David Davies, Steve Baker, Jacob Rees-Mogg or the late Margaret Thatcher however I do see him more less liberal than David Cameron, George Osbrorne, Theresa May, Rory Stewart, Jeremy Hunt, Michael Gove & Sajid Javid.

Do you think Boris Johnson is a liberal or not? Do you think he’ll deliver Brexit by the 31st October? Comment your thoughts
Yes Boris Johnson is liberal - you can tell he has no real intention to lower immigration but you can tell he 100% believes in Brexit.

The ship has sailed to stop brexit- it is now impossible. Even if a vote of no confidence was to pass after recess it will take you past 31 October 2019 before the election is called- not only that Boris has a few things he can do.

1.) He can prorogue parliament and take it out of Parliament's hands- parliament can not force an extension because the Withdrawal act of 2017 states that the primeminister has the power to invoke article 50 but nothing else- May's extensions are legally dodgy to say the least. I believe as Robin Tilbrook states we left the EU on 29/03/2019 may botched her extension legally and didn't have the power to extend in first place
2.) If parliament votes to revoke article 50 the original act states the primeminster had to invoke so would need to revoke it- he can simply refuse and advise the queen to not give it royal ascent- due to 500+ MP's voting to leave the EU on WTO terms and conditions should no deal be agreed by exit date- the fact exit date has changed doesn't mean that the legal framework behind it has changed
3. With the power of the queen he can unilaterally revoke all European Treaties and we would be out tomorrow. It makes sense to do this while MPS are on recess on the sly so they can't block it- all these MP's deferred a choice to their electorate and because they don't like the result they are back peddling on the you will decide aspect because they "know best"
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Boris Johnson was a liberal Mayor of London but his decisions so far are those of a PM who is not a liberal. What links the two seems to be that that's what he sees as the best way to win an election.

I couldn't actually guess what Boris Johnson's genuine views were – somehow he seems even harder to pin down than Theresa May.
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