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Performing speculum examinations as an FY1

I am a current FY1 and have done a speculum examination many months ago as I felt comfortable doing so having done over 4 months of O&G during my time as a medical student and done around 5 under supervision during that and done more during 2 months of my elective in O&G too. A consultant commented that this shouldn’t really be done by an FY1 and so I’m just wondering what people’s thoughts are. I was asked to do it by a consultant surgeon for PV bleeding, I consented the patient and had a chaperone and the patient was comfortable throughout? I wouldn’t have done it had I not felt capable of but am just worrying about it
Original post by karter
I am a current FY1 and have done a speculum examination many months ago as I felt comfortable doing so having done over 4 months of O&G during my time as a medical student and done around 5 under supervision during that and done more during 2 months of my elective in O&G too. A consultant commented that this shouldn’t really be done by an FY1 and so I’m just wondering what people’s thoughts are. I was asked to do it by a consultant surgeon for PV bleeding, I consented the patient and had a chaperone and the patient was comfortable throughout? I wouldn’t have done it had I not felt capable of but am just worrying about it


Presumably we're talking about a Cusco's speculum? At any rate, I don't see any reason why an FY1 shouldn't do it - it's a basic part of the gynae examination.

Did an O&G cons say this to you? Did s/he elaborate?
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Yeah Cusco’s. No not an O&G consultant it was just the consultant on my current medical placement, who just looked shocked that I had done one as an FY1. I wouldn’t do anything I felt I wasn’t comfortable and capable of doing. Think my consultant is of the opinion that as an FY1 you’re not properly a doctor yet being only provisionally registered
As an O&G doctor I would be thrilled if others were happy doing speculums.

It’s so frustrating when we are bleeped because someone thinks a patient needs a speculum when it’s a basic examination that everyone is expected to be competent in by graduation.

So many people are discouraged from doing them when they shouldn’t be (I’ve heard A&E doctors ban their juniors from doing speculums, saying it’s “O&Gs job” even when the junior has been competent!). In fact, the A&E where I work made a patient wait 7 hours to be seen by gynae for a ?retained tampon because no one in the department could be bothered to examine her and we were all tied up elsewhere.

So basically, if you feel competent, then keep doing them as appropriate! You will not find anyone in the O&G department that would be annoyed with you!
Original post by karter
Yeah Cusco’s. No not an O&G consultant it was just the consultant on my current medical placement, who just looked shocked that I had done one as an FY1. I wouldn’t do anything I felt I wasn’t comfortable and capable of doing. Think my consultant is of the opinion that as an FY1 you’re not properly a doctor yet being only provisionally registered


Lol. The GMC and medicolegal system wouldn't take this view. Anyway, I think you did the right thing.
Agreed. If you're confident you know what you're looking at then by all means. When it comes to intimate examinations I guess my policy is that if you feel you likely have the experience and skills to interpret what you're seeing first time (and are not just doing something which will almost 100% inevitably have to be repeated by somebody who has more experience than you do, subjecting the patient to multiple intimate and/or pretty uncomfortable exams when they could have had just one) then go for it. For simple/common things like looking for a source of bleeding or taking a swab or whatever, most people should be competent to identify that without needing a second opinion and a second examination for the patient, although because you get such limited medical school exposure I can see how some wouldn't even feel very confident with that. I definitely didn't until I did GP and being female ended up seeing a whole load of gynae issues and so was forced to try and patch up my knowledge, and even then for the examination side of things I spent some sessions sitting in with the specialist nurse to try and get some more experience.

TBH in my day to day job the main reason I wouldn't do any of this stuff and would defer it all to gynae is because you can't find gynae kit outside of A&E and gynae/surgical wards. I suspect that's the main reason for a whole load of referrals to specialties with specific examination tools!
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Original post by karter
I am a current FY1 and have done a speculum examination many months ago as I felt comfortable doing so having done over 4 months of O&G during my time as a medical student and done around 5 under supervision during that and done more during 2 months of my elective in O&G too. A consultant commented that this shouldn’t really be done by an FY1 and so I’m just wondering what people’s thoughts are. I was asked to do it by a consultant surgeon for PV bleeding, I consented the patient and had a chaperone and the patient was comfortable throughout? I wouldn’t have done it had I not felt capable of but am just worrying about it

You've had loads - like actually loads - of experience and the idea that every single FY2 would be more competent than you just because they are an FY2 is absolutely ridiculous. The notion that an FY1 is not a 'proper doctor', and that that translates into you not being allowed to do something as simple as a speculum exam, is also ridiculous. That consultant sounds like a real moron.

Original post by xXxBaby-BooxXx
So many people are discouraged from doing them when they shouldn’t be (I’ve heard A&E doctors ban their juniors from doing speculums, saying it’s “O&Gs job” even when the junior has been competent!).

I may have said this before, but in my previous hospital the O&G SHOs were banned from doing speculums unless they had 10 observed sign offs, which was just impossible as a male. Can only imagine some terrible incident in the past!

Ironically though, I was entirely happy to do a speculum before I started that job (there was no hospital policy about other specialities SHOs or FY1s doing them), and came out feeling I should never do one again!

[I've changed my mind though now I'd do one under the right circumstances!]
Original post by nexttime
You've had loads - like actually loads - of experience and the idea that every single FY2 would be more competent than you just because they are an FY2 is absolutely ridiculous. The notion that an FY1 is not a 'proper doctor', and that that translates into you not being allowed to do something as simple as a speculum exam, is also ridiculous. That consultant sounds like a real moron.


I may have said this before, but in my previous hospital the O&G SHOs were banned from doing speculums unless they had 10 observed sign offs, which was just impossible as a male. Can only imagine some terrible incident in the past!

Ironically though, I was entirely happy to do a speculum before I started that job (there was no hospital policy about other specialities SHOs or FY1s doing them), and came out feeling I should never do one again!

[I've changed my mind though now I'd do one under the right circumstances!]

We had to do speculums in our fifth of sixth year, under supervision, when we had barely been taught one on a model which is not the same as in person. As a male, O&G was also a very difficult attachment as few women were amenable to a male medical student in general. If i don't need to do them, i'm quite happy if i get to FY1 and FY2 not to have to do them. Do GPs have to do them?
Original post by seaholme
Agreed. If you're confident you know what you're looking at then by all means. When it comes to intimate examinations I guess my policy is that if you feel you likely have the experience and skills to interpret what you're seeing first time (and are not just doing something which will almost 100% inevitably have to be repeated by somebody who has more experience than you do, subjecting the patient to multiple intimate and/or pretty uncomfortable exams when they could have had just one) then go for it.

How can one get to the stage of having the experience and confidence unless they make mistakes , miss things and keep trying? The irony is a lot of these consultants today practised when they were far more able to freely do these things. The same i hear for surgeons.

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