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Have you noticed a trend this year? most mass shootings contain a perpetrator who originates from 8chan's /pol/ board as well as 4chan's /pol/ board. The /pol/ board on both sites are full of deranged people who probably have no life but idolise Nazis as well as perpetrators of the Bosnian wars. Intelligence agencies (such as the FBI) should start looking into these boards to see if there are any individuals who will carry out any attacks in the future just like they target those who join ISIL or AL-Qaeda. You may think that this is a ludicrous idea but why are these people worshipping those type of people from history as well as trying to carry out terrorist attacks like the one in Texas or in Christchurch? these aren't your "everyday trolls" these are clearly terrorists who have lost their minds. This isn't to get rid of their free speech though, but, quiet a lot of terrorists are coming from these boards so its about time law enforcement start looking into them.
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was no one else armed so they could shoot the gunman?
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Have you noticed a trend this year? most mass shootings contain a perpetrator who originates from 8chan's /pol/ board as well as 4chan's /pol/ board. The /pol/ board on both sites are full of deranged people who probably have no life but idolise Nazis as well as perpetrators of the Bosnian wars. Intelligence agencies (such as the FBI) should start looking into these boards to see if there are any individuals who will carry out any attacks in the future just like they target those who join ISIL or AL-Qaeda. You may think that this is a ludicrous idea but why are these people worshipping those type of people from history as well as trying to carry out terrorist attacks like the one in Texas or in Christchurch? these aren't your "everyday trolls" these are clearly terrorists who have lost their minds. This isn't to get rid of their free speech though, but, quiet a lot of terrorists are coming from these boards so its about time law enforcement start looking into them.
Quite certain the FBI do monitor them. This killer, like several previous ones, announced his plans on 4chan.

There are so many very stupid things going on in the US that it's hard to pick any particular one, but allowing these weapons to be sold legally has to rank pretty high. It's ironic in a bleak way that Walmart was the scene of the massacre, as it has often topped the charts for weapon sales in past decades. They've been cutting back their gun offers in more recent years. There's a Michael Moore scene from some years back where he sends an 18-yr old into Walmart with a bunch of dollars and the youth comes out with a shopping trolley piled with guns.
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was no one else armed so they could shoot the gunman?
Texas is open carry, there will have been but life is not a video game, there's not a handy little mini map with red dots showing the position of hostiles - you don't necessarily know where the shooter is in the chaos, and even if you work it out and start shooting, say the police turn up and see a guy firing a gun having been called to an active shooter situation, what do you think they're going to do? The "if only there was a good guy with a gun" trope is ridiculous, good guys with guns aren't stopping shootings, what will stop shootings is proper gun laws, not America being one of the few places where it's easier to get an M15 than mental health care
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An alien visiting the planet earth would in their preliminary report conclude that the main purpose of the United States was to produce weapons and that these weapons are widely deployed amongst an angry and feckless citizenry, obsessed with drugs and violence and easily manipulated by scheming, predatory leaders.
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Texas is open carry, there will have been but life is not a video game, there's not a handy little mini map with red dots showing the position of hostiles - you don't necessarily know where the shooter is in the chaos, and even if you work it out and start shooting, say the police turn up and see a guy firing a gun having been called to an active shooter situation, what do you think they're going to do? The "if only there was a good guy with a gun" trope is ridiculous, good guys with guns aren't stopping shootings, what will stop shootings is proper gun laws, not America being one of the few places where it's easier to get an M15 than mental health care
gun laws like what?
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Quite certain the FBI do monitor them. This killer, like several previous ones, announced his plans on 4chan.

There are so many very stupid things going on in the US that it's hard to pick any particular one, but allowing these weapons to be sold legally has to rank pretty high. It's ironic in a bleak way that Walmart was the scene of the massacre, as it has often topped the charts for weapon sales in past decades. They've been cutting back their gun offers in more recent years. There's a Michael Moore scene from some years back where he sends an 18-yr old into Walmart with a bunch of dollars and the youth comes out with a shopping trolley piled with guns.
I doubt the FBI are monitoring them. When the Stoneman Douglas high school was shot up last year, both the police and FBI had received tips on Nikolas Cruz but they didn't do anything to stop him. In addition to this, Cruz's instagram account was filled with violent images of guns, terrorist slogans and dead animals. This should be enough to warn law enforcement.

As for the discussion on gun laws, the US needs to input a system like Japan's or Israel's. These systems require testing, psychological checks and even gun range safety practices, with Japan requiring that these tests be completed once a year. There is no testing in America at all and the reason for this is because it's one of the most uneducated countries in the world who can't do anything. Why do you think Americans are coming to England to study? because our education is far more superior to theirs. And don't just say "Well Harvard the best university in the world hahaha Lol!", this isn't the case considering that LSE, Oxford, Cambridge and Imperial College are probably 100X more superior to it and offer the most profitable degrees in the world.

Liberals are going to fail as usual in providing any sort of solution to these gun laws, they're going to continue pointing the finger at conservatives and blaming it all on them when they fail to realise the real threat of the alt-right and how dangerous they really are. The march for our lives campaign accomplished nothing so I wonder what liberals will do next. If anything, they should be out protesting like those in France (Yellow vests movement) and Hong Kong, that will be able to catch the government's eye and maybe America will realise that humans are more important than guns
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gun laws like what?
Requiring people to pass an examination demonstrating they understand proper gun safety and usage would be a good start.
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Requiring people to pass an examination demonstrating they understand proper gun safety and usage would be a good start.
what kind of examination?
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there is a manifesto supposedly attributed to him where he starts of by praising the christchurch shooting and then goes onto explaining how he dislikes hispanics (cant remember all the details) he also explains his political views in it too
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I doubt the FBI are monitoring them. When the Stoneman Douglas high school was shot up last year, both the police and FBI had received tips on Nikolas Cruz but they didn't do anything to stop him. In addition to this, Cruz's instagram account was filled with violent images of guns, terrorist slogans and dead animals. This should be enough to warn law enforcement.

As for the discussion on gun laws, the US needs to input a system like Japan's or Israel's. These systems require testing, psychological checks and even gun range safety practices, with Japan requiring that these tests be completed once a year. There is no testing in America at all and the reason for this is because it's one of the most uneducated countries in the world who can't do anything. Why do you think Americans are coming to England to study? because our education is far more superior to theirs. And don't just say "Well Harvard the best university in the world hahaha Lol!", this isn't the case considering that LSE, Oxford, Cambridge and Imperial College are probably 100X more superior to it and offer the most profitable degrees in the world.

Liberals are going to fail as usual in providing any sort of solution to these gun laws, they're going to continue pointing the finger at conservatives and blaming it all on them when they fail to realise the real threat of the alt-right and how dangerous they really are. The march for our lives campaign accomplished nothing so I wonder what liberals will do next. If anything, they should be out protesting like those in France (Yellow vests movement) and Hong Kong, that will be able to catch the government's eye and maybe America will realise that humans are more important than guns
You're right about the threat of the alt-right, but it is repeatedly the case that it is Conservative lawmakers and judges who stand in the way of change in this area, so the extremists may be extremists and they may be the biggest current threat out there, but the mainstream Right in the US appear to be determined to protect their right to conduct massacres. Many of the people killed and wounded in Texas and Indiana last night will have been Republican voters. Go figure.

The stuff you said about US education is true - the best of US education is very good by global standards, but the middle/average is poor.
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Requiring people to pass an examination demonstrating they understand proper gun safety and usage would be a good start.
It still wouldn't really solve what is a profound crisis in the social behaviour and culture of the US. Many of the young white males (it's mainly young white males who massacre) involved have taken to this crime to garner fame, to serve what they have been convinced by both internet sites - and the Republican national leadership and President - is a green light to kill perceived enemies, or simply to act out their hate of their fellow students in schools and colleges. It's implausible they would be reached by organised structures. The reality is that these crimes are made possible due to the vast number of mass killing weapons in civilian hands across the country. Young males can acquire these semi-legally, at gun fairs, they can get them from their parent's weapons cupboards (who knows how deranged and scared ordinary American families are who have assault rifles in their houses) or they can get them legally.

Nothing will stop this short of the abolition of such weaponry and a determined national effort to bring them in.

Meanwhile, the NRA gun-selling affiliates, the weapons shops, the companies that make assault rifles, will all be partying today, gun sales always surge after massacres.
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I wonder if this was a Muslim if you would have had a similar view....probably not, it's how people like you work - attack the weak, attack those who society says is socially acceptable, attacks those who have no social or political barriers around them....
How the **** am I 'attacking the weak'? You regard young men armed with assault rifles on killing sprees as the 'weak'? :lolwut:
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British Trade Minister Liz Truss has been embedded in the US with the Heritage Foundation and the Competitive Enterprise Institute, both big supporters of deregulation for gun sales.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...y-deregulation

I wonder if in the new post-Brexit pro-American wonderland, we are to have US-style gun laws? US trade negotiators will surely insist on it.
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No worries - Muslim Arab terrorists are killing many more thousands of people worldwide. Maybe you should talk about that
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https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...ease-extremism

69 people killed by Muslims last week - why no news TSR
Nobody's stopping you from posting about it if you care that deeply about it.
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https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...ease-extremism

69 people killed by Muslims last week - why no news TSR
Because it didn't happen in the west and it didn't happen to westerners.
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It still wouldn't really solve what is a profound crisis in the social behaviour and culture of the US. Many of the young white males (it's mainly young white males who massacre) involved have taken to this crime to garner fame, to serve what they have been convinced by both internet sites - and the Republican national leadership and President - is a green light to kill perceived enemies, or simply to act out their hate of their fellow students in schools and colleges. It's implausible they would be reached by organised structures. The reality is that these crimes are made possible due to the vast number of mass killing weapons in civilian hands across the country. Young males can acquire these semi-legally, at gun fairs, they can get them from their parent's weapons cupboards (who knows how deranged and scared ordinary American families are who have assault rifles in their houses) or they can get them legally.

Nothing will stop this short of the abolition of such weaponry and a determined national effort to bring them in.

Meanwhile, the NRA gun-selling affiliates, the weapons shops, the companies that make assault rifles, will all be partying today, gun sales always surge after massacres.
It wouldn't solve the motivation for these mass shootings, the events in El Paso are a direct result of having a white nationalist in the white house dogwhistling to a population already feeling betrayed and failed by the system (the alt-right are a response to the failings of capitalism, but they direct their ire in entirely the wrong direction), that would take serious social upheaval to solve, but making it harder to access weaponry would at least make it harder to carry out attacks of this scale
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It wouldn't solve the motivation for these mass shootings, the events in El Paso are a direct result of having a white nationalist in the white house dogwhistling to a population already feeling betrayed and failed by the system (the alt-right are a response to the failings of capitalism, but they direct their ire in entirely the wrong direction), that would take serious social upheaval to solve, but making it harder to access weaponry would at least make it harder to carry out attacks of this scale
We're agreed on that.
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You're right about the threat of the alt-right, but it is repeatedly the case that it is Conservative lawmakers and judges who stand in the way of change in this area, so the extremists may be extremists and they may be the biggest current threat out there, but the mainstream Right in the US appear to be determined to protect their right to conduct massacres. Many of the people killed and wounded in Texas and Indiana last night will have been Republican voters. Go figure.

The stuff you said about US education is true - the best of US education is very good by global standards, but the middle/average is poor.
True, but not all conservatives, Republicans and Trump supports share their same ideologies which is what the left fail to realise as they generalise on them and blatantly call them racists. For example, Ben Shapiro who is a conservative is ironically called a racist and a Nazi despite the fact he is Jewish and receives hatred from the Alt-right. Then again, conservative law makers are shameful especially on abortion laws. But you have to agree that the left exploit these issues for social justice and offer no solution whatsoever.

I think that the American people need to realise this and protest heavily against gun law makers, as I said before, in the same manner that France and Hong Kong are doing at the moment since both protests caught the eye of the world. The march for our lives campaign accomplished nothing and was exploited further by irrelevant social justice ideas
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