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Made in the USA
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I would think backwards, suspicious and superstitious would be a rather apt way to describe a good percentage of americans (mainly the rural fundamentalist christian types that Obama referred to in 'that speech'.
A group of people that either cling to a book/laws written for 2000 years ago, or laws written for a country/world 230 years ago. Certainly backwards (or 'traditional' as some would call it), suspicious of change, and supersitious...well what is religion but superstition and faith?
The problem is that people with a deep respect and admiration for the US constitution are the majority of Americans. And a good 40% or so of Americans attend church regularly. Personally, I think religion is completely ridiculous, but I would never look down on someone for believing in a higher power. If Obama doesn't like the electorate, maybe he should consider running for office in a place like Germany. On second thought, the last thing we need is Germans caught up in a euphoria over the changes a politician is promising...it kind of brings back bad memories :eek:
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The problem is that people with a deep respect and admiration for the US constitution are the majority of Americans. And a good 40% or so of Americans attend church regularly. Personally, I think religion is completely ridiculous, but I would never look down on someone for believing in a higher power. If Obama doesn't like the electorate, maybe he should consider running for office in a place like Germany. On second thought, the last thing we need is Germans caught up in a euphoria over the changes a politician is promising...it kind of brings back bad memories :eek:
Why do so many conservatives conflate love of America and the constitution with the republican party? To me it could not be further from the truth.
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Why do so many conservatives conflate love of America and the constitution with the republican party? To me it could not be further from the truth.
Maybe because of that horrendous imminent domain decision? That was a complete disgrace.

The constitution is a very liberal document, especially in the days and context in which it was drafted.
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Maybe because of that horrendous imminent domain decision? That was a complete disgrace.

The constitution is a very liberal document, especially in the days and context in which it was drafted.
Its funny when you think about it. If in britain we loosened gun laws you'd probably call it liberalism. But in america if you loosen them its more conservatism.
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wtf is all this **** about abama being communist
isnt communism far left wing socialism

i am a socialist and im against obama, because i think america isnt ready for a black or female president, but not in a racial or sexist way, just becasue for one thing, if obama became president, he would get assasinated, and that there would be rioting and chaos in america, so respectivally, america, would fail at many things.

im pro mcain, for this fact.

my political beleifs are: irish Republican, militant Anti-Fascist, british Conservative, pro palestine, etc.
Bit of a contradiction, no? "You stand accused of murder!" and all that. Why not Labour, they had a United Ireland policy at least.....

Horrendously off-topic, I know, but I don't go in for Obama bashing and was just having a look through this out of curiosity when I stumbled accross PCAnarchist's post.
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if you are anti-obama you are pretty much anti-all things right. also he's not actually muslim... you know just in case fox news gave you that impression...
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Looks like only two clowns including PeeWeeDan himself have joined the "Anti-Obama" society.
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With so many American's worried he'll get popped by Inauguration why doesn't he come out and address this?????!
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No, just someone who wants hire 3 million more government workers, increase corporate taxes, force employers to have retirement accounts for their workers, force companies to give up "excess profits", increase spending by at least $500 billion a year, and pretty much destroy the dollar and the US economy in general.
Picking up where Bush left off pretty much then? Apart from the corporate taxes bit though he certainly has spent a great deal, increased the size of government and number of public employees albeit in the name of fighting terrorism. Does it being for security that make it less socialist though?

No doubt though Obama has a different and more dangerous angle of overbearing governance planned; green youth brigades probably slitting SUV tires, home carbon inspections etc... It's actually more dangerous than Bush 's right flank attack as Obama has the popularity to introduce such controls under left/radical cover hence the people will enforce on tyranny upon each other because they think it's a good thing...saving the planet etc...

Not much chance of a more conservative approach with Mcain 'reaching across the isle' too
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if you are anti-obama you are pretty much anti-all things right.
Chalk this up as Exhibit A on why political/religious talks eventually piss me off.

(Original post by arcoxia)
also he's not actually muslim... you know just in case fox news gave you that impression...
Yeah, he's a Christian. He's been in the same Christian church for 20 years... well, at least until the controversy of the lines pushed by Wright turned up the heat.

Obama tried to stick with the church for a bit. Then he saw the political loss well on it's way and decided to break ties with the church. Nothing like someone with the astounding character of standing his ground for five seconds and then hightailing it! I mean, that's an "all things right" kind of character there...

Obama has his downsides, from inexperience/ignorance to the wishy-washy play of saying what the crowd wants to hear, and "all things right" isn't very descriptive of anyone in the political world.
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wtf is all this **** about abama being communist
isnt communism far left wing socialism

i am a socialist and im against obama, because i think america isnt ready for a black or female president, but not in a racial or sexist way, just becasue for one thing, if obama became president, he would get assasinated, and that there would be rioting and chaos in america, so respectivally, america, would fail at many things.

im pro mcain, for this fact.

my political beleifs are: irish Republican, militant Anti-Fascist, british Conservative, pro palestine, etc.
Can I just say if your going to be anti-obama come up with a better reason. Assasination? I am not sure if the US will ever be ready for a black president or a woman. However if every black person or woman decided against applying for high profile political posts due to this worry, then we might as well admit defeat to the racists. I'm not saying that Obama should set himself up to be murdered just to promote equality, but maybe he is the person to highlight the problem of racism and sex discrimination in the US government and society.
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(Original post by PCAnarchist)
wtf is all this **** about abama being communist
isnt communism far left wing socialism

i am a socialist and im against obama, because i think america isnt ready for a black or female president, but not in a racial or sexist way, just becasue for one thing, if obama became president, he would get assasinated, and that there would be rioting and chaos in america, so respectivally, america, would fail at many things.

im pro mcain, for this fact.

my political beleifs are: irish Republican, militant Anti-Fascist, british Conservative, pro palestine, etc.
Fair enough, but....How old is McCain? And......What's the average male life expectancy?

And besides, it's the rigidity and conservatism of old-fashioned Republican values that appeals to the violent, sexist and racist people that would WANT to assassinate him. So you would put these people in power out of fear that they would get their way? hmmm..
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George Bush didn't exactly have a glittering CV 8 years ago, did he? For that matter, neither did Bill Clinton. Both were taken fairly seriously, wern't they?

The whole "race is the only reason Obama is where he is" is ********.
That said, it's Bush, he's a puppet.

both parties to me look like scum.


www.therealmccain.com

I think Obama is less scummy, but not by a lot. He appears to want to give Israel lots of money for "defense", and talks of peace, but I doubt there will be any between Palestine and Israel, both seem to put across propaganda.
I guess it just gives one side an advantage.

Biden I don't know much about, Palin, well, it's Palin, just look at her interview with Charlie Gibson, haha, she's effin scary.
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I would be in! I can't stand all the pro-Obama crap we have to put up with by the liberal media over here.
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I would be in! I can't stand all the pro-Obama crap we have to put up with by the liberal media over here.
I agree, it's pathetic. We haven't even given McCain a chance. People are just dismissing him as another "Bush" because that's what they want it to be so "Jesus" gets in.

The 200,000 people in Berlin was waaaaay over the top. I mean what's the guy done to deserve all that exactly?

And most of his fans and just idiots who usually have no interest in politics and are just temporarily jumping on the bandwagon because it's trendy.

Bush was more of an @rsehole 4 years ago and I didn't see the same hate? So what's new?
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I agree, it's pathetic. We haven't even given McCain a chance. People are just dismissing him as another "Bush" because that's what they want it to be so "Jesus" gets in.

The 200,000 people in Berlin was waaaaay over the top. I mean what's the guy done to deserve all that exactly?

And most of his fans and just idiots who usually have no interest in politics and are just temporarily jumping on the bandwagon because it's trendy.

Bush was more of an @rsehole 4 years ago and I didn't see the same hate? So what's new?
I disagree, i think after the last shocker of an election wen bush was voted back in DESPITE his incompetence him has sparked more of an interest in people than before. McCain isn't 'another Bush' but being in the same political party is enough of a similarity.. America does not need any more republican influence, they need a shove in the other direction to rid them of the ****** reputation, financial disasters, terrorist wars etc etc. no matter whos leading. yes McCain would be a bit of a change, and he is being given a very big chance by the way (maybe the british media isn't showing u guys how much of a chance he really does have). in fact, he'll probably win anyway. *sigh*. but u'll see how wrong it is when America is facing the same problems in 3 years time. just like last time...
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Honestly, there is no way a white guy with such a thin resume would ever have been taken seriously as a candidate for president of the United States.
Abraham Lincoln. Obama has a cult of personality ala Bobby Kennedy, something almost all large political players at the moment lack. America is desperately needing a change and this is a means by which the upcoming generation seeks to cut from the old and fix many of the problems the last 8 years of the Bush administration, as well as the baby boomer generation, has brought on.
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Abraham Lincoln. Obama has a cult of personality ala Bobby Kennedy, something almost all large political players at the moment lack. America is desperately needing a change and this is a means by which the upcoming generation seeks to cut from the old and fix many of the problems the last 8 years of the Bush administration, as well as the baby boomer generation, has brought on.
Raising taxes, taxing corporations, doubling the capital gains tax, and protectionist trade policies are not the kind of change we need. All of this during an economic downturn will completely destroy what's left of the American economy. These ideas were tried during the depression and it made things worse. There is good change and bad change and I think Obama's policies are the wrong kind of change the US needs now.
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Theres something which has confused me thoroughly while watching Fox News.

Why are liberals in America looked at so negatively? And why are they associated with the "far left" when liberalism is mainly central?
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Theres something which has confused me thoroughly while watching Fox News.

Why are liberals in America looked at so negatively? And why are they associated with the "far left" when liberalism is mainly central?
You do know that Obama is a socialist right? Today he said that "we should spread the wealth around", which sounds like comunism to me. I'm all for democrats running the white house, but this guy is just too much, I would vote McCain, simply because Obama is craaaaap. I would vote for Hillary anyday of the week though
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