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Nice.

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Thought so
Sorry, my mistake. Thanks for the information though - his media empire is more extensive than I thought.
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Sorry, my mistake. Thanks for the information though - his media empire is more extensive than I thought.
It's quite scary. From what I hear he let's The Times pretty much run itself, it's the Sun and the other more low brow sources he puts his main efforts into o_O
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As a general rule, assume everything is owned by Murdoch, and work your way down from there. It's quicker.
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I'm glad to see the scepticism about Obama's cult of personality is slowly rising. I was furious when I saw the "fire up, ready to go" stuff at youtube. Wake up America, if you won't be the "national policeman", than who will? China? Russia? Iran? No thanks...
You see, I'm not from US, though I realise how crucial the role of US and the American president respectively is even for my country. If Obama is to settle a deal with Putin about not installing american radar in Czech Republic and missiles in Poland, then we're doomed and left with no defense against the constantly expanding Russian state (or shall we call it New Soviet Union, given the invasion of Georgia last year?)....
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Finally, you seem to be implying that the NHS is 'even worse' than the French/German systems. Never mind the fact that the French and German systems are some of the best, if not the best, healthcare systems in the world...
In France, the supply of doctors is so limited that in the heat wave six years ago 15,000 elderly citizens died. Too many doctors were on vacation and hospitals were stretched way beyond capacity.

After the tragedy, the French parliament released a report on the failings of their healthcare system, blaming it on chronically insufficient care for the elderly, and widespread failure among agencies and health services to coordinate efforts. Something like that would never happen here where hospitals have plenty of air conditioned rooms with beds and plenty of doctors.
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I'm glad to see the scepticism about Obama's cult of personality is slowly rising. I was furious when I saw the "fire up, ready to go" stuff at youtube. Wake up America, if you won't be the "national policeman", than who will? China? Russia? Iran? No thanks...
You see, I'm not from US, though I realise how crucial the role of US and the American president respectively is even for my country. If Obama is to settle a deal with Putin about not installing american radar in Czech Republic and missiles in Poland, then we're doomed and left with no defense against the constantly expanding Russian state (or shall we call it New Soviet Union, given the invasion of Georgia last year?)....
Have you looked at the polls for the president and congress? Don't worry, by the time the 2010 elections come around, the electorate will send Obama a loud wakeup call and things will change.
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Have you looked at the polls for the president and congress? Don't worry, by the time the 2010 elections come around, the electorate will send Obama a loud wakeup call and things will change.

I'm just scared it will be too late in 2012. This guy apparently has massive indebtedness as his main target (which is unsustainable in the long-run, after 8 years of social-democratic government in my country, I can tell), plus the islamic states and Russia won't hesitate and will try to make the best from the current situation, when their only real (equal) enemy is governed by a populist, who puts short-lived popular gesture prior to rational foreign policy .:mad:
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In France, the supply of doctors is so limited that in the heat wave six years ago 15,000 elderly citizens died. Too many doctors were on vacation and hospitals were stretched way beyond capacity.

After the tragedy, the French parliament released a report on the failings of their healthcare system, blaming it on chronically insufficient care for the elderly, and widespread failure among agencies and health services to coordinate efforts. Something like that would never happen here where hospitals have plenty of air conditioned rooms with beds and plenty of doctors.
Eh? Most of those elderly died in home or residential homes, not in hospitals, which are air-conditioned.

Shall we blame the 600 heat-related deaths in the Chicago heat wave of 1995 as a failure of US healthcare?

As for the doctors, I fail to see how the US system would solve the problem if half their doctors decided to take holiday then.
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Eh? Most of those elderly died in home or residential homes, not in hospitals, which are air-conditioned.

Shall we blame the 600 heat-related deaths in the Chicago heat wave of 1995 as a failure of US healthcare?

As for the doctors, I fail to see how the US system would solve the problem if half their doctors decided to take holiday then.
There is a reason it was only 600 and not 20 times that number.

In this country, we don't all go on vacation in August leaving our elders to die in their apartments. There is more or less the same number of doctors year round because hospitals are smart enough to have doctors stagger their vacations so the same number of doctors are available year round.
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There is a reason it was only 600 and not 20 times that number.
Because chicago has a population of 20 times less than France?
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In this country, we don't all go on vacation in August leaving our elders to die in their apartments. There is more or less the same number of doctors year round because hospitals are smart enough to have doctors stagger their vacations so the same number of doctors are available year round.
It's not entirely clear that the problem was that people take their holidays here - the problem was more that the elderly at risk weren't being located and died in their homes due to the heat. I'm not sure how the number of doctors would affect this.
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Because chicago has a population of 20 times less than France?
The heat wave didn't just hit the city of Chicago and affect no other location.
St. Louis, Missouri and Milwaukee, Wisconsin were hit as well with similarly high temperatures, but very few deaths. A few days later, the heatwave moved to the east coast and Danbury, CT saw temperatures of 106 °F/41 °C
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The heat wave didn't just hit the city of Chicago and affect no other location.
St. Louis, Missouri and Milwaukee, Wisconsin were hit as well with similarly high temperatures, but very few deaths. A few days later, the heatwave moved to the east coast and Danbury, CT saw temperatures of 106 °F/41 °C
Sure, but the 600 figure was the Chicago deaths.
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Sure, but the 600 figure was the Chicago deaths.
Figures show that 739 additional people died in that particular week above the usual weekly average. Relatively low numbers despite a very large population being subjected to harsh conditions.
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Figures show that 739 additional people died in that particular week above the usual weekly average. Relatively low numbers despite a very large population being subjected to harsh conditions.
Only 14,000 people died above the average across 2 months in France despite a very large population being subjected to temperatures of around 10C warmer than expected.

Tbh, I don't why I'm arguing this. Your line is that the French system is rubbish because on one occasion, a not too dramatic number of people died due to a once in a century event that had nothing to do with the number of doctors as they all died in their home. That's like me stating that the US health system rubbish because 2000 died in Katrina.
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Only 14,000 people died above the average across 2 months in France despite a very large population being subjected to temperatures of around 10C warmer than expected.

Tbh, I don't why I'm arguing this. Your line is that the French system is rubbish because on one occasion, a not too dramatic number of people died due to a once in a century event that had nothing to do with the number of doctors as they all died in their home. That's like me stating that the US health system rubbish because 2000 died in Katrina.

French politicians disagree with you or their parliament wouldn't have released a report on the failings of their healthcare system following the heat wave. Even the French are critical of their system.

Healthcare in the USA is excellent. There needs to be some "tweaking" and some more options in the free market, but a government option is not the way to go. We already have Medicare, Medicaid and the VA that are all government funded by tax payer dollars and delivering care most consider below average. All three are virtually insolvent. We need tort reform to bring costs down, but until we throw the democrats out of congress in 2010, we are not going to get it. The democrat party is bought and paid for by trial lawyers.

Perhaps there are things to be learned from the French system. Our politicians have been busy mocking and ridiculing the NHS and Canadian system, but the French system has been overlooked. It has a mixture of private and public administration to deliver services and in many ways it resembles our own system. I'm sure some aspects of their system could be implemented here. I wouldn't be opposed to implementing ideas from other systems as long as I am not subjected to higher levels of taxation.
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He hasn't really done anything yet that would deserve him hatred/adoration. Moreover, there is nothing whatsoever racist about this - it's just another hate-for-no-reason group.
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Such as? :evil:
Such as the fact that you don't get credit crunches. Such as the fact that you don't get the extremes of rich/poor. Such as the fact that people are more free to choose their career based on what they enjoy, rather than on how much it pays.
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Goodness, reading some of these things - in fact, all of these things - has made me even more sure that I support Obama now. Both for the fact that he is actually doing more than the others and that he is supposedly socialist.
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Goodness, reading some of these things - in fact, all of these things - has made me even more sure that I support Obama now. Both for the fact that he is actually doing more than the others and that he is supposedly socialist.
Doing more to put America trillions of dollars in debt...
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