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I think disliking Obama is reason enough. We have Grey's Anatomy societies, Royalist Societies, why not Anti-Obama?

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what has obama done that makes you dislike him might I ask
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His policies are too socialist. Basically.
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i love obama
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His policies are too socialist. Basically.
I thought you'd worship him since he gave such a kind a 'great' speech at the AIPAC conference, promising a much better deal that McCain gave.
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his only hope is to better america im sure he means no harm so why anit-obama
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I thought you'd worship him since he gave such a kind a 'great' speech at the AIPAC conference, promising a much better deal that McCain gave.
As hypocritical of me as it is all I heard when he spoke to the AIPAC was "I'm a liar I'm a liar. I'm just saying this to get the Jewish vote"

He even said he wouldn't have Jerusalem divided. Bull****, he then back tracked a few days later.

his only hope is to better america im sure he means no harm so why anit-obama
Carter wanted world peace, what he achieved was being (in my opinion) the worst president the US has ever seen. I don't know nor care about Obama's intentions, I simply believe he would be a disaster.
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As hypocritical of me as it is all I heard when he spoke to the AIPAC was "I'm a liar I'm a liar. I'm just saying this to get the Jewish vote"
Do you really think he was lying when he was on about giving it all of Jerusalem to the Israeli's, even I was taken back and I'm probably the only muslim here who supports Israel lol. If he gets elected, won't the Jewish electorate expect him to deliver on these promises, although I can never see Abbas agreeing to those terms. Never.
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The economic arguments against Obama in this thread are so one-sided.

Bismarck is harping on about his fiscal policy without having any understanding of the economic cycle. The U.S. economy is in recession (or will be by the time BO is in office) - therefore, it is the time to start spending more and taxing the poor a little less. That's called a stimulus. If borrowing meets spending over the course of booms and recessions, then what's the problem? Admittedly, food and oil prices are high, but people are buying those anyway, so I can't see it contributing all that much to inflation.

Anyway, on to more interesting stuff.

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The difference between new labour and tories, it seems, is socially - tories seem to be more liberal than new labour. That literally seems to be about the only difference and it's why tories are better.
Uh, the Tories are "harder" on crime, more anti-abortion and so on. You won't find many Labour MPs harping on about how we should lock people up and throw away the key. A couple of weeks ago I saw them trying to keep our heresy laws intact for christ's sake! (Thank the lord, they failed.)

The only social issue where the Tories positioned themselves on the liberal side of the argument is the pre-charge detention - and pissed off as I am about what the government did, the reason most of the Tories (whose instincts are authoritarian) voted against was because they cared more about defeating the government.

Actually, the difference between Nulab and the Tories is that a New Labour government getting elected also involves a few gennuine socialists getting elected as a by-product - Cruddas, Fields, et cetera. And to win the support of people like me - the base - they have to keep public spending reasonably high. The Tories could get elected without throwing money at child poverty; Labour simply could not.
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I dont know how you can hate a man who only wants to do his best for America!
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Ahh PeeWee, I see you modified your post lol
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Vote for Barr.
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Wasn't he the guy off Borat?
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Uh, the Tories are "harder" on crime, more anti-abortion and so on. You won't find many Labour MPs harping on about how we should lock people up and throw away the key. A couple of weeks ago I saw them trying to keep our heresy laws intact for christ's sake! (Thank the lord, they failed.)

The only social issue where the Tories positioned themselves on the liberal side of the argument is the pre-charge detention - and pissed off as I am about what the government did, the reason most of the Tories (whose instincts are authoritarian) voted against was because they cared more about defeating the government.

Actually, the difference between Nulab and the Tories is that a New Labour government getting elected also involves a few gennuine socialists getting elected as a by-product - Cruddas, Fields, et cetera. And to win the support of people like me - the base - they have to keep public spending reasonably high. The Tories could get elected without throwing money at child poverty; Labour simply could not.
I'm sorry, I thought Brown was tough on crime with his "I want to give people 5 year prison sentences for using a harmless drug which is their own choice." :rolleyes:

Everything Brown does these days seems to defy liberalism, as you say, pre0charge detention! More to come I reckon, we need to give them the boot before our freedoms crumble anymore!

Abortion ... I don't know tories stance. Hopefully they would keep it legal!

Obviously ideally lib dems would get into power, but as a liberal I'd say second best right now is conservative, NOT new labour.
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That would make perfect sense if there was a correlation between political spectra and Zionism. The US is all Zionist - people wouldn't whine about the AIPAC if it wasn't. Go home
It's about opening the door. If the moderates get into power and start talking about helping the common man or the alternatives to war, eventually support for Israel will dwindle as it will become harder to suggest bombing civilian structures such as electricity generation sites or airports is self defence, as Israel has done frequently. People would begin to recognise that collective punishment is wrong and a slavishly pro-Israel stance would not be taken. Also people will begin to realise that the reason palestinians are so pissed is because they're living in a concentration camp where Israelis are the ones goosestepping. I don't think Zionists care who's in the white house as long as they're also in Israel's pocket. They know that religious fundamentalists who believe the Jews are the chosen people are the safest bet. I just hope that the next president acts in the interest of his own country, rather than giving in to AIPAC and doing his best to give Americans tax dollars to officials in Israel.

By the way, i am at home. Where are you? You seem to have Israeli flags so i guess that's where your allegiance is to, but which country are you in?
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I say bring on the Anti-Israel society.
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Wasn't he the guy off Borat?
no but thats who came to my mind too-i was thinking hed be good for presidency:p:
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Yeah, because destroying the US economy isn't going to affect the poor. :rolleyes: Obama is just like Bush: spend and spend while refusing to take the unpopular step of increasing taxes. At some point, this will cause the dollar to collapse (hell it already fell by 30%).
Look, i'm not going to say you're wrong - Obama will cut taxes for 90% of Americans and bring them up to european levels for the wealthy. However, as a dem conventional wisdom would tell us overall taxes are going to rise. But McCain is going to cut taxes for 100% of Americans, put the same 'windfall taxes' on oil companies yet stay in Iraq when by all estimates that's costing over $200 billion per annum - and as a republican and per his own plans he will cut tax revenues, and clearly any threat Obama poses economically McCain poses on a greater and more exageratted scale.
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I say bring on the Anti-Israel society.
You're welcome to. Take in mind you'll get Caspiantiger tho. For good publicity I wouldn't let him in thought.

no but thats who came to my mind too-i was thinking hed be good for presidency
I checked Wikipedia, it's him
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I checked Wikipedia, it's him

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