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(Original post by Veni_vidi)
was he not a jewish?
How is this relevant to my point?
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I'm sure he "wants to do his best for America", like all American politicians do. You've heard the expression, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" before, haven't you?

no I havent heard that expression before feel free to enlihten me with its meaning, but I understand it a little however aint every country like that i mean lok at ours, gordon brown always wanted to better england yet look at all the bad things thats happened so why not anti-brown too:p:

I just dont know why the anti-obama, if he is only going to better america, and overcome 'hell'when that happens
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Why is that bad? I mean they hardly going to come out now and vote for Obama now are they?

I think the fact that McCain is a centrist will be what could win him this election, people will vote for him by default rather than listen to naive green Obama's whacky radical ideology. It's a while since a liberal actually got in, 1976, and he was a southerner (which turned out to be massive). Even Bill Clinton (another southerner) ran as a moderate.
They might not vote at all, if they are REALLY unhappy with McCain.
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You didn't actually read what I wrote did you?
Of course i did. You wrote that much criticism of Israel is "new Antisemitism", i therefore voiced my disagreement of this. You also stated you dislike Europe and implied Europeans are antisemitic because they are not as pro-Israel as the Americans. I again, disagree with this wholeheartedly. My point is that disagreement with Israel's policies can not be equated with antisemitism, no matter how you rebrand it. Whether or not you feel person X is antisemitic, does not determine whether person X's arguments are true or false. To claim so is false logic. It is an ad hominem attack.

You also claimed that the reason the jewish lobby is so powerful in the US is because Americans embace zionist ideals and are in a sense natural zionists. I believe this to be untrue. I simply stated that if the majority of the public is indifferent regarding a topic, whilst a few are vehremently supportive of it, then the government will take that line. If the heavily biased US media never questions Israel's behaviour, then the average American will not even think about the situation and so the Lobby dictates government policy. Anybody that speaks out is demonised and attacked by the lobby. The Zionists in the US do their utmost to stifle any kind of debate.

In short i have read what you have written, however i feel your arguments are weak and i suspect your latest post is some kind of setup for another personal ad hominem attack. Of course it is the only weapon you have.

Also you didn't answer a previous question, which country are you in? We know your allegiance is to Israel but were you actually born and live there?
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hes clearly not white

and he sucks at being black basically
He needs 24 inch rims and be rolling on dubs, init?
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He needs 24 inch rims and be rolling on dubs, init?
and grills
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OBAMA FTW!!!!!
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With the rise of the Royalist(hiss!) and Republican societies I figured I'd suggest us Obama haters jump on the band wagon and create our own society, the "Anti-Obama Society", where we can happily say we hate Obamunism and all associated Socialism/Communism, and we will NOT jump on the band wagon!

Who's with me?
I don't like him because he is like an empty drum that makes a whole lot of noise.
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Of course i did. You wrote that much criticism of Israel is "new Antisemitism", i therefore voiced my disagreement of this. You also stated you dislike Europe and implied Europeans are antisemitic because they are not as pro-Israel as the Americans. I again, disagree with this wholeheartedly. My point is that disagreement with Israel's policies can not be equated with antisemitism, no matter how you rebrand it. Whether or not you feel person X is antisemitic, does not determine whether person X's arguments are true or false. To claim so is false logic. It is an ad hominem attack.

You also claimed that the reason the jewish lobby is so powerful in the US is because Americans embace zionist ideals and are in a sense natural zionists. I believe this to be untrue. I simply stated that if the majority of the public is indifferent regarding a topic, whilst a few are vehremently supportive of it, then the government will take that line. If the heavily biased US media never questions Israel's behaviour, then the average American will not even think about the situation and so the Lobby dictates government policy. Anybody that speaks out is demonised and attacked by the lobby. The Zionists in the US do their utmost to stifle any kind of debate.

In short i have read what you have written, however i feel your arguments are weak and i suspect your latest post is some kind of setup for another personal ad hominem attack. Of course it is the only weapon you have.

Also you didn't answer a previous question, which country are you in? We know your allegiance is to Israel but were you actually born and live there?
Again I'm going to ask, did you read my post?

Before you reply, I think you should read your first sentence, then my post, then answer.

Sigh.
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On the Noam Chomsky note, have you seen the amount of honorary degree's this guy has? Does he buy them or something! :p:

On a serious note, I'll be studying Chomsky's work in detail in my Politics next year. Why do you call him scum, PeeWee?
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No sane man who's parents went through the Holocaust could endure nevermind endorse holocaust denial.
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No sane man who's parents went through the Holocaust could endure nevermind endorse holocaust denial.
holocaust denial - implies people refuse to believe it happened?

call me ignorant but this is like making politicians apologize for slavery, it happened we corrected the wrong, no one denies it happened but is dwelling on the past the best way to move forward?
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What you are referring to is New Antisemitism. Not all critcism of Israel is this, but much is, especially when the criticism is disproportionate or racially motivated.
This is what i have referred to, you claim that "much" criticism of Israel is "New Antisemism". You then go on to say when it is disproportionate or racially motivated. Who decides whether it is disproportionate and who decides whether it is racially motivated? Is this not just a way of labelling any criticism of Israel as Anti semitic, purely because you think it is disproportionate, or that you "think" the person doesn't like jews. If i say that Israel's devastating attacks on Lebanon's infrastructure and civilians was completely unnecessary, indiscriminate and amounted to collective punishment, why does my motivation matter? How does that change the argument? why would it make Israel's behaviour suddenly not resemble collective punishment? Also how on earth can you know what my motivation is, i dislike tyrannies and wish to oppose them, that's what my motivation is, so don't try to label it otherwise. Also how is condemning Israel for such attacks disproportionate and who decides. You are basically saying that if i do not agree with you, then i am antisemitic, because either i'm criticising disproportionately or my criticism is racially motivated.

(Original post by PeeWeeDan)
Europe is more left wing, and more anti-Semitic than the US. This is why I don't like Europe.
This is where you showed your distaste for Europe and claimed Europe is anti- semitic. This is something i have voiced my disagreement with.

(Original post by PeeWeeDan)
Also - paragraphs. Use them.
The ad hominem attack i was referring to.

So i have read your post, i just didn't agree with you labelling Europeans as anti-semites and "much" criticism of Israel as "New Antisemitism". But of course you didn't say any of that did you?
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holocaust denial - implies people refuse to believe it happened?

call me ignorant but this is like making politicians apologize for slavery, it happened we corrected the wrong, no one denies it happened but is dwelling on the past the best way to move forward?
holocaust denial is illegal in most countries...
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holocaust denial is illegal in most countries...
"did the holocaust happen?"

"no"

"im going to arrest you!"

oh i get it
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holocaust denial is illegal in most countries...
I believe the holocause took place, however i think it is silly how there is a law in some countries making its denial illegal. I understand that its denial would be very offensive to people whose families were killed, however whether or not you believe or do not believe in X shouldn't be a crime. As long as you are not inciting violence it shouldn't be illegal. What right does the government have to tell me what i can or can't believe, it's pure lunacy. Should it be illegal to not believe in the bible also?
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A US president is merely a spokesperson for the Israeli lobby, Nothing will change with Obama in power, like nothing has changed for the last 60 years.
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racist thread.
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if so many people hate Obama.....why so many voted for him instead of Hilary?
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