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I think my membership of the TSR Libertarians should tell you where I stand on this. I would have responded earlier but was trying to report a white supremacist on Twitter.
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Hang on a minute, we are not talking about how a word gets misused or misinterpreted by some polically insidious people. You are not actually saying that you wish to abolish democracy for state control or else with no obligation placed upon the state to listen/care about the publics views surely, are you?
No, but it’s worth mentioning my original point
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I think my membership of the TSR Libertarians should tell you where I stand on this. I would have responded earlier but was trying to report a white supremacist on Twitter.
What was the person saying?
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As a consequence of this study, I now expect the army to be flooded with willing recruits.

I would guess that these findings are a result of the seeming failure of various party leaders' failure to unify their MPs behind what they want to do, and hence coming up with some BS 'plan' that fails to get them a solid majority (or one at all).
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What was the person saying?
Cited a ”newspaper” called the Occidental Observer. Wiki says it's a neo-Nazi blog.
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Hang on a minute, we are not talking about how a word gets misused or misinterpreted by some polically insidious people. You are not actually saying that you wish to abolish democracy for state control or else with no obligation placed upon the state to listen/care about the publics views surely, are you?
He supports North-Korea. I doubt he deals in facts.
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Cited a ”newspaper” called the Occidental Observer. Wiki says it's a neo-Nazi blog.
What was the person’s actual statement that included the reference? How did you conclude that their statement was far right.
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Maybe, but I just don't like that jumped up ******.
I'm with ya on that mate
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Might be a good idea depending on the benefits.
Lol, oh go on explain away
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No, but it’s worth mentioning my original point
Lol fair play mate
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Lol, oh go on explain away
I think with regard to the security issue the military would improve the situation. Also the discipline issue will improve because we can have mandatory military/social service for all 18 year olds for 1 year before they go to uni.

I understand there are certain parts were military rule may not be good such as dissent to authoritarianism, but I can see the benefits too.
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I think my membership of the TSR Libertarians should tell you where I stand on this. I would have responded earlier but was trying to report a white supremacist on Twitter.
What type of hate mail did they send you?
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(Original post by Wired_1800)
I think with regard to the security issue the military would improve the situation. Also the discipline issue will improve because we can have mandatory military/social service for all 18 year olds for 1 year before they go to uni.

I understand there are certain parts were military rule may not be good such as dissent to authoritarianism, but I can see the benefits too.
Rot. It doesn't create a good society. When it goes horribly wrong you get Syria and when it starts to go wrong you get Hong Kong where I fear we could see another Tianamen Square style massacre very soon.

The only reason N Korea works to a point is because they have brutal policies like their three generation punishment. If you commit a crime, you are jailed, your kids are jailed and their kids are jailed.

What were the benefits again? That everyone is so terrified they do the right thing? Is that really progress?
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Rot. It doesn't create a good society. When it goes horribly wrong you get Syria and when it starts to go wrong you get Hong Kong where I fear we could see another Tianamen Square style massacre very soon.

The only reason N Korea works to a point is because they have brutal policies like their three generation punishment. If you commit a crime, you are jailed, your kids are jailed and their kids are jailed.

What were the benefits again? That everyone is so terrified they do the right thing? Is that really progress?
At least people do the right thing. I am not saying that it is a perfect system but it would greatly improve our nation. Traitors would be gone and we will have one voice. Infrastructure investment would be quick and painless like in China, people would stop ‘stealing a living’ by lying to get on benefits, there would be discipline.

If we don't get military rule, we should at least make sure all 18 year olds have 1 year military service.
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I was reading this rather bizarre article on another forum and I thought, I don't think so somehow. However I certainly know the best place to find out, over you you guys.

What is you opinion on ditching parliament and allowing the army to rule the country?

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/third-youn...7X7Yc5OiP16t_V
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Rot. It doesn't create a good society. When it goes horribly wrong you get Syria and when it starts to go wrong you get Hong Kong where I fear we could see another Tianamen Square style massacre very soon.

The only reason N Korea works to a point is because they have brutal policies like their three generation punishment. If you commit a crime, you are jailed, your kids are jailed and their kids are jailed.

What were the benefits again? That everyone is so terrified they do the right thing? Is that really progress?
Spot on
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At least people do the right thing. I am not saying that it is a perfect system but it would greatly improve our nation. Traitors would be gone and we will have one voice. Infrastructure investment would be quick and painless like in China, people would stop ‘stealing a living’ by lying to get on benefits, there would be discipline.

If we don't get military rule, we should at least make sure all 18 year olds have 1 year military service.
Are you seriously using China as a example of good?

Who would decide what a 'traitor' is and how will the people be able to appose being ill or wrongly treated?

When I started this thread I actually thought everyone would just laugh and type 'no'...
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Are you seriously using China as a example of good?

Who would decide what a 'traitor' is and how will the people be able to appose being ill or wrongly treated?

When I started this thread I actually thought everyone would just laugh and type 'no'...
You thought wrong. You should not assume that everyone shares your views. That is why our society is descending to chaos. We live in bubbles and then are shocked when we are faced with opposing views.

China is not a model but it has some benefits within its system. For example, it is well-known that investments esp infrastructure developments seem to be quick and painless exercises. In the UK, we argue and whine about every infrastructure programme until they are completed and we do it again for the next one. Just some examples are Heathrow’s new runway, Crossrail, HS2 etc.

The “traitor” bit is quite grey I agree. That was why I am not in favour of a completely totalitarian society
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(Original post by Wired_1800)
At least people do the right thing. I am not saying that it is a perfect system but it would greatly improve our nation. Traitors would be gone and we will have one voice. Infrastructure investment would be quick and painless like in China, people would stop ‘stealing a living’ by lying to get on benefits, there would be discipline.

If we don't get military rule, we should at least make sure all 18 year olds have 1 year military service.
But who determines what "the right thing" is, or what a traitor is? You are assuming that any dictatorship would be aligned with your views. What if the political winds changed and you found your views on the world challenged by force / death? Would you submit and do the right thing by the dictatorship?
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Half a sec. China's success is built on it allowing Western companies to exploit cheap labour with significantly lower pay and conditions than we expect. Are you happy for your government to force you to do the right thing and work to conditions they dictate so that the rich of the country can travel by high speed rail?
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