Veganism - to save the world?

It is normal for humans as a species to eat meat and dairy. What is not normal is to deny others that on your own ethical grounds.

Marcus

High risk waste actually isnt that safelt contained - the containers have to be changed every few years (cant remember how many) and they can take thousands of years to decay to safe levels - causing potential problems for future generations. Also they're often dumped at sea, away from populated areas, which could cause problems with fish stocks.
And water vapour is actually the most significant greenhouse gas - id quote percentages but they differ so much from one source to another that i dont know which is exactly right - but sources claim %s from anywhere between 60-98% of total greenhouse gases are water vapour.

The people who go on and on about trying to justify veganism as being a natural diet are only lying to themselves. How can any diet be natural if you have to take artificially created supplements?
Marcus

I *****ing hate Vegans. All of them should be put out of their misery and killed. It's part of the damn food chain to eat animals, so just do it or shut up about it.

Sorry to open so heavy handed, but my point is that there is such a thing as quality of existence.

As opposed to the man-made cyanocobalamin which you have told us is a vital vitamin?

Veganism doesnt have to sacrifice quality.

I have been vegan for over a year. I recently went to the doctord for blood tests and my vitamin/mineral levels for everything INCLUDING Iron and B12 were ABOVE AVERAGE, and i dont take vitamin supplements or eat stupid amounts of nuts and seeds. He said I was one of the healthiest people he'd ever come across, despite the fact i was there for tiredness (which we eventually put down to too much caffeine). Another positive is that i spend often less than half of what my vegetarian house mates spend on food per week....

I have been vegan for over a year. I recently went to the doctord for blood tests and my vitamin/mineral levels for everything INCLUDING Iron and B12 were ABOVE AVERAGE, and i dont take vitamin supplements or eat stupid amounts of nuts and seeds. He said I was one of the healthiest people he'd ever come across, despite the fact i was there for tiredness (which we eventually put down to too much caffeine). Another positive is that i spend often less than half of what my vegetarian house mates spend on food per week.

No, water vapour is literally steam - does not affect the greenhouse effect at all.
The current theory is that molecules of greenhouse gases i.e. methane degenerate into free radicals which react with the O3 which comprises the ozone layer.

I'm not challenging you / being pedantic here but do you have a link about the waste containers needing to be changed? I've been trying to look for more info online but am having trouble finding a decent source (just keep getting 100-odd page patent reports etc)

As I don't know enough about them, I'll assume you're right however, but they can still be stored in deep geological repositories.

Veganism doesnt have to sacrifice quality.

I have been vegan for over a year. I recently went to the doctord for blood tests and my vitamin/mineral levels for everything INCLUDING Iron and B12 were ABOVE AVERAGE, and i dont take vitamin supplements or eat stupid amounts of nuts and seeds. He said I was one of the healthiest people he'd ever come across, despite the fact i was there for tiredness (which we eventually put down to too much caffeine). Another positive is that i spend often less than half of what my vegetarian house mates spend on food per week.

YES veganism is an obvious and effective way to tackle both world food shortages and lower carbon emissions... YES it can be healthy without lots of artificial supplements.. no its not 'normal' but the world isnt either.. our planet is changing, we need to change with it. Sticking to what is 'normal' for the sake of - what? tradition? comfort? taste?! - when everything else is changing, is ridiculous. We need to adapt too...

That's amazing (good for you!) but perhaps you are a lucky exception? I mean, I know some people who smoke and say, "well, my friend's gran smoked from the age of 15 to 90 and never got cancer," but this is clearly a bit silly as it doesn't mean the average person can do the same.

i'd say it was a greenhouse gas but a secondary one. as more co2 is released into the atmosphere, it warms and it's ability to hold water vapour increases. this water vapour condenses, forms clouds, traps more heat, more evaporation etc etc so the greenhouse effect is amplified. however, the amount of water vapour released from power stations is insignificant on a global level. or something.


i'm actually going now.

I *****ing hate Vegans. All of them should be put out of their misery and killed. It's part of the damn food chain to eat animals, so just do it or shut up about it.

You hate people who aren't doing anything to you and who happen to not want to eat animal products?

So say the shift to veganism means the earth can support another 10 billion people before it starts to level out...when this happens, we will have to sacrifice some more of the things we like to eat so that it 'solve the hunger problem'...so we live purely off grain. Another 5 billion people can be supported...repeat


In short, this does not solve *anything*, it just sacrifices quality of existence for no good purpose other than delaying the inevitable, when what we should really be doing is balancing the current distribution of food more equally amongst the world population.

No, because where is the water coming from in the first place? It is not adding anything to the atmosphere, just using what was already there then re-releasing it.

The difference between that and fossil fuels is that it releases carbon (in the form of CO2) into the atmosphere which was previously stored away as oil, coal or natural gas.