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... the PM or minister stands up and says, "Following a detailed reveiew of all the available evidence we have decided to implement our policy along those lines."???

I see that the Tories are reverting to policies on crime that have not worked in the past and have been proved time and time again to fail.
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Of course not, what a frightful suggestion. Politicians dont sully their elevated minds with anything as tawdry as scientific evidence. You can be rest assured the Tories (and any other government for that matter) will continue to ignore all common sense and base policy on self serving policies and pithy sound bites.
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(Original post by ByEeek)
... the PM or minister stands up and says, "Following a detailed reveiew of all the available evidence we have decided to implement our policy along those lines."???

I see that the Tories are reverting to policies on crime that have not worked in the past and have been proved time and time again to fail.
In the case of crime the answer is no (though it’s important to note there’s no evidence it makes crime worse) because there is a significant difference between approaches which can produce better crime outcomes and public attitudes to crime. This is essentially because the justice approach is in theory based around rehabilitation while most of the public believe that justice should be based around punishment.

Its an extreme example but consider peaedophiles. There are some foreign studies which suggest that supplying them with child porn essentially gives them an outlet that satisfies them and means they do not target real people. However, public attitudes to paedophilic behaviour are such that many people would probably support chemical castration.
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(Original post by Rakas21)
In the case of crime the answer is no (though it’s important to note there’s no evidence it makes crime worse) because there is a significant difference between approaches which can produce better crime outcomes and public attitudes to crime. This is essentially because the justice approach is in theory based around rehabilitation while most of the public believe that justice should be based around punishment.

Its an extreme example but consider peaedophiles. There are some foreign studies which suggest that supplying them with child porn essentially gives them an outlet that satisfies them and means they do not target real people. However, public attitudes to paedophilic behaviour are such that many people would probably support chemical castration.
I would support 30 minutes locked in a room with the parents/family of their victims and various pieces of torture equipment.
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I think there is for lack of a better word a fetishisation and over deference to experts in the West more broadly and that we should be more skeptical and always challenge the wisdom of our ‘betters’ if we can rationally deduce better alternatives.

I think a lot of people in the world of work particularly in public sector roles will have experience of a higher up coming down and telling them how to do they’re job better in a way that’s done really well in focus groups or something but doesn’t stand up in practise.

For instance my mother has been a primary teacher for three decades and has found that kids generally learn maths better with number boards. Anyway, at a teaching conference she is told that it is proven in a variety of academic studies that instead number boards don’t actually work and that another method is much more successful. A younger teacher (who was apparently a good teacher) who agreed with this method then cane into school and found it terrible teaching it to the children there. When they tried teaching with the number board they found it much more successful.

My point is that though we are told not to rely on anecdotal evidence the point remains that if something we are told regularly works but is proven not to in day to day life, people will not accept regardless of how many studies you can provide saying otherwise.
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... the PM or minister stands up and says, "Following a detailed reveiew of all the available evidence we have decided to implement our policy along those lines."???
Just about what Putin does, when he's not shooting propaganda footage on being a superhero.
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Just about what Putin does, when he's not shooting propaganda footage on being a superhero.
Ha! Seriously? Could you point to the body of evidence that informed the decision to put the 1 year-old child of a couple into care because he was seen with his parents marching for democracy?
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Ha! Seriously? Could you point to the body of evidence that informed the decision to put the 1 year-old child of a couple into care because he was seen with his parents marching for democracy?
I have not heard of such case.
Also, you must make a distinction between a policy and an individual action.
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I have not heard of such case.
Also, you must make a distinction between a policy and an individual action.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-...-lose-children
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