Why is mental health support so bad in UK?
It's not like I would personally need it, I am just wondering after reading some articles and talking to other people around me and I can't sleep now.
Only support you will get here is 'Take these pills and bye' it's not my personal experience but I heard it from more people around me and from what I read online.
At work, there was a proud poster about mental health issues and how they are mindful but that 'charity' was creating so many mental issues to many young people working for them and their solution was 'Make a silly head if you have mental problems'.
So why is it so bad?
Only support you will get here is 'Take these pills and bye' it's not my personal experience but I heard it from more people around me and from what I read online.
At work, there was a proud poster about mental health issues and how they are mindful but that 'charity' was creating so many mental issues to many young people working for them and their solution was 'Make a silly head if you have mental problems'.
So why is it so bad?
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Budget cuts to mental health trusts has lead to an sharp decrease in the number of beds available for patients with severe mental health problems. There has been a reduction in the number of mental health nurses and specialist psychiatrist in the NHS and they opt for private practices or working abroad because the treatment of doctors by the tory government has been poor. This leads to the police having to intervene when someone is having a psychotic episode and resources in that area are also taking a hit, it is then even more difficult to properly fund the NHS and create incentives for specialist psychiatrist and nurses if you're having to fund Police to tackle the problem. Also many areas of the NHS are struggling, I can even see it happening anecdotally, because I have a longstanding health condition meaning I've been a regular at the hospital for 10 years. Waiting times are increasing, the number of doctors is decreasing, the duration between offered appointments are getting longer and funding for my drugs have a shorter time limit (although this is understandable because it is the most expensive drug the NHS provides and it's not going to be provided by the NHS anymore, in favour of biosimilars which some have not taken well to). The funding that is going towards mental health trusts is therefore being used to counterbalance the cuts in other areas.
This has lead to GPs heavily reducing the number of referrals they make the psychiatrists and an increase in the number of people stuck in the loop of GP>CBT/DBT or a similar type>arrested>psychiatric ward> GP>...
It is really frustrating, given that I have to really on these services for my everyday life for the rest of my life.
This has lead to GPs heavily reducing the number of referrals they make the psychiatrists and an increase in the number of people stuck in the loop of GP>CBT/DBT or a similar type>arrested>psychiatric ward> GP>...
It is really frustrating, given that I have to really on these services for my everyday life for the rest of my life.
Original post by normanis
Tories.
My explanation put succinctly.
Original post by NotNotBatman
Budget cuts to mental health trusts has lead to an sharp decrease in the number of beds available for patients with severe mental health problems. There has been a reduction in the number of mental health nurses and specialist psychiatrist in the NHS and they opt for private practices or working abroad because the treatment of doctors by the tory government has been poor. This leads to the police having to intervene when someone is having a psychotic episode and resources in that area are also taking a hit, it is then even more difficult to properly fund the NHS and create incentives for specialist psychiatrist and nurses if you're having to fund Police to tackle the problem. Also many areas of the NHS are struggling, I can even see it happening anecdotally, because I have a longstanding health condition meaning I've been a regular at the hospital for 10 years. Waiting times are increasing, the number of doctors is decreasing, the duration between offered appointments are getting longer and funding for my drugs have a shorter time limit (although this is understandable because it is the most expensive drug the NHS provides and it's not going to be provided by the NHS anymore, in favour of biosimilars which some have not taken well to). The funding that is going towards mental health trusts is therefore being used to counterbalance the cuts in other areas.
This has lead to GPs heavily reducing the number of referrals they make the psychiatrists and an increase in the number of people stuck in the loop of GP>CBT/DBT or a similar type>arrested>psychiatric ward> GP>...
It is really frustrating, given that I have to really on these services for my everyday life for the rest of my life.
This has lead to GPs heavily reducing the number of referrals they make the psychiatrists and an increase in the number of people stuck in the loop of GP>CBT/DBT or a similar type>arrested>psychiatric ward> GP>...
It is really frustrating, given that I have to really on these services for my everyday life for the rest of my life.
Yeah, I do agree with this because when I was working for that 'charity' we had lots of police drops of and basically all of them were people with some mental health issues, etc.
I also think that people are getting more crazy nowadays because of the political and economic situations. People are being forced to work more and more, being tracked every second (Amazon, etc.) and while you have to work more and more you get less and less in return, because of inflation and mental health support is also getting worse and less available, so I really wonder how this ends up.
Original post by NotNotBatman
Budget cuts to mental health trusts has lead to an sharp decrease in the number of beds available for patients with severe mental health problems. There has been a reduction in the number of mental health nurses and specialist psychiatrist in the NHS and they opt for private practices or working abroad because the treatment of doctors by the tory government has been poor. This leads to the police having to intervene when someone is having a psychotic episode and resources in that area are also taking a hit, it is then even more difficult to properly fund the NHS and create incentives for specialist psychiatrist and nurses if you're having to fund Police to tackle the problem. Also many areas of the NHS are struggling, I can even see it happening anecdotally, because I have a longstanding health condition meaning I've been a regular at the hospital for 10 years. Waiting times are increasing, the number of doctors is decreasing, the duration between offered appointments are getting longer and funding for my drugs have a shorter time limit (although this is understandable because it is the most expensive drug the NHS provides and it's not going to be provided by the NHS anymore, in favour of biosimilars which some have not taken well to). The funding that is going towards mental health trusts is therefore being used to counterbalance the cuts in other areas.
This has lead to GPs heavily reducing the number of referrals they make the psychiatrists and an increase in the number of people stuck in the loop of GP>CBT/DBT or a similar type>arrested>psychiatric ward> GP>...
It is really frustrating, given that I have to really on these services for my everyday life for the rest of my life.
This has lead to GPs heavily reducing the number of referrals they make the psychiatrists and an increase in the number of people stuck in the loop of GP>CBT/DBT or a similar type>arrested>psychiatric ward> GP>...
It is really frustrating, given that I have to really on these services for my everyday life for the rest of my life.
I agree so much re: police, tbh they're often nicer than the so called MH professionals, which is saying a lot. If you need specialist input for mental health you're mostly SOL because there just aren't the professionals available. I waited around a year to get specialist therapy from the NHS, and yeah, my psychologist is great, but could've done without being threatened with getting sectioned every other week because I wasn't coping.
lol. I've also had similar issues outside of just MH services, I had to wait like over a year to see a specialist cardiologist (I was referred out from my cardiologist here), and whilst they're actually amazing now I've actually seen them, would've been nice to see them earlier. Lol.
For most of human history mental health services have been appalling. If you think not talk to people in their 60s, 70s and 80s candidly about what mental health services used to be like. Even as recently as the 1990s absolutely crazy stuff was done. This is despite the amazing effort of some individuals working in the system it to nudge it forward. When the system was terrible to begin with it's hard to move it forward.
The internet has transformed mental health awareness. In the age of austerity savage cuts with more people than ever asking for services in the explosion in mental health sharing the last few years, the system does look 'bad'.
The internet has transformed mental health awareness. In the age of austerity savage cuts with more people than ever asking for services in the explosion in mental health sharing the last few years, the system does look 'bad'.
Original post by normanis
Tories.
Ok https://www.bbc.com/news/health-42393071
Original post by Sabertooth
Nothing in that article disproved my point?
Original post by LittleX
It's not like I would personally need it, I am just wondering after reading some articles and talking to other people around me and I can't sleep now.
Only support you will get here is 'Take these pills and bye' it's not my personal experience but I heard it from more people around me and from what I read online.
At work, there was a proud poster about mental health issues and how they are mindful but that 'charity' was creating so many mental issues to many young people working for them and their solution was 'Make a silly head if you have mental problems'.
So why is it so bad?
Only support you will get here is 'Take these pills and bye' it's not my personal experience but I heard it from more people around me and from what I read online.
At work, there was a proud poster about mental health issues and how they are mindful but that 'charity' was creating so many mental issues to many young people working for them and their solution was 'Make a silly head if you have mental problems'.
So why is it so bad?
People are narcisstic, self absorbed and overambitious. That causes mental health issues.
Original post by Anonymous
People are narcisstic, self absorbed and overambitious. That causes mental health issues.
Yep, nowt to do with chemicals in the brain or anything. Nope. People are just too narcissistic.
One of the UK’s most prominent psychiatrists has called for an end to public awareness campaigning about mental health. It “massively expands demand” on already stretched NHS services and may be convincing people they are ill when they are not, warns Simon Wessely, who was until June president of the Royal College of Psychiatrists.
“Every time we have a mental health awareness week my spirits sink,” says Wessely, who in July became the first psychiatrist to be president of the Royal Society of Medicine. “We don’t need people to be more aware. We can’t deal with the ones who already are aware.”
“Every time we have a mental health awareness week my spirits sink,” says Wessely, who in July became the first psychiatrist to be president of the Royal Society of Medicine. “We don’t need people to be more aware. We can’t deal with the ones who already are aware.”
Well as a mental health professional I would argue that although there is not enough support for those with mental health problems, the UK has in fact one of the best mental health services in the world. Take a look at the rest of European or us services, or even in Ireland (where I currently work). The resources are not there at present in the UK, but the quality can be exceptional.
Regarding Wesselys quote, I whole heartedly disagree. We know already that men and BAME populations have significantly lower engagement rates in mental health, and particularly men are most at risk of suicide, so we need greater information in the right channels to try and open up a dialogue with these groups. Rates of referrals are always high, specifically in secondary services that I work in, however the threshold does not change and we will not work with people without a severe and enduring mental health problem. At the end of the day, mental health is not a box to fit in, it is a spectrum which are all on all the time. Not everyone needs support, but greater awareness may help in educating people so they know when they do, they can reach out to someone like me.
Regarding Wesselys quote, I whole heartedly disagree. We know already that men and BAME populations have significantly lower engagement rates in mental health, and particularly men are most at risk of suicide, so we need greater information in the right channels to try and open up a dialogue with these groups. Rates of referrals are always high, specifically in secondary services that I work in, however the threshold does not change and we will not work with people without a severe and enduring mental health problem. At the end of the day, mental health is not a box to fit in, it is a spectrum which are all on all the time. Not everyone needs support, but greater awareness may help in educating people so they know when they do, they can reach out to someone like me.
It's because they still don't understand mental health properly, don't quote me on this but I believe I read somewhere once that the least money was put towards mental health research/treatments. It's quite sad because pills dont work, they may do at first but slowly you'll need to take more doses till you reach the max dose your allowed and it'll be ineffective for you
Although the fact you only get pills isn't nessesirly true, there are therapists, help lines etc - it depends on whether you get a good person or not, some therapists are rubbish while others are good
Although the fact you only get pills isn't nessesirly true, there are therapists, help lines etc - it depends on whether you get a good person or not, some therapists are rubbish while others are good
