"The future is female" - where do nonbinary folk fit in? Watch

LiberOfLondon
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But the Nazis were self proclaimed socialists.
I'm not going to get into a debate about the political leanings of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, but can we please keep this in a different thread?
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That's not applicable here. I didn't compare them to Nazis, I just said that was the result of their own logic.
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Show me how it is biologically possible to be agender/gendervoid/demigender/attack heligender or whatever other non-binary genders there are (with the exception of intersex people, who I do recognise as a third gender).
Intersex isn't a third gender, it's people who simply don't fit into the sex binary we're insistent on (sex isn't binary, it's bimodal). While there are a few things that suggest that there's a biological underpinning to trans identities (for instance, identical twins are more likely to both be trans than fraternal twins, suggesting a genetic component), gender is heavily sociological and psychological, biology doesn't draw conclusions on gender.

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But the Nazis were self proclaimed socialists.
I too have never heard of the night of the long knives...
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For you humans, it will be a moot point when the robots take over.
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Intersex isn't a third gender, it's people who simply don't fit into the sex binary we're insistent on (sex isn't binary, it's bimodal). While there are a few things that suggest that there's a biological underpinning to trans identities (for instance, identical twins are more likely to both be trans than fraternal twins, suggesting a genetic component), gender is heavily sociological and psychological, biology doesn't draw conclusions on gender.



I too have never heard of the night of the long knives...
To be a bit of a pedant:
1/800 people are part of a pair of identical twins
1/200 people identify as a gender other than the one they were born as (keep in mind this is using self-ID)
800*200=160,000
1/160000 of society is a bit of a small sample size.
I don't mean to discredit your theory that it is genetic, but it is a new field and will likely be clearer with hindsight.
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(Original post by LiberOfLondon)
To be a bit of a pedant:
1/800 people are part of a pair of identical twins
1/200 people identify as a gender other than the one they were born as (keep in mind this is using self-ID)
800*200=160,000
1/160000 of society is a bit of a small sample size.
I don't mean to discredit your theory that it is genetic, but it is a new field and will likely be clearer with hindsight.
1 in 160000 is still 400+ people in the UK alone, there's not really a sample size issue here, what there is is a statistically significant relationship between concordance of trans identities and monozygosity, which typically suggests a genetic aspect.
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For you humans, it will be a moot point when the robots take over.
Robots only add to the discussion. Will robots have genders? Will robot be a gender of its own?
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What does TSR think? Is the slogan exclusionary? Or is it merely a clumsily worded but ultimately positive statement that nonbinary folks can rally behind too?

https://rewire.news/article/2018/11/...its-nonbinary/

Summarising the article:

“The future is female.”

It has a nice ring to it, doesn’t it?

You can find it in cute, curvy writing on coffee mugs, or written in bold font on trendy T-shirts.

I am a white heterosexual woman who was assigned female at birth and has pushed out two human beings from my vaginal opening. By conventional definitions, I fall very hard within racial, sexual, and gender binaries.

But the more I understand that, the more that I try to raise children to be who they are, the more I’m bothered by “the future is female.”

I know it’s supposed to be a forward-looking slogan that envisions a time where women are given our due.

But the statement reinforces some very backward ideologies. With colonization came the enforcement of sex, gender, and sexuality binaries, and fierce attempts to erase cultures (like many in the Americas and Africa) that recognized gender identities and presentations outside of a binary, something that white people couldn’t fathom. Whiteness, binaries, and oppression go together.

But women who have only one chromosome, a single X, aren’t any less “female” or “woman” than I am. Neither do people with the XY combo have to be “male” or subscribe to any gender.

Are intersex people - who have more or less chromosomes than average - defined solely by their genes or genitalia? There’s more diversity among humanity than what we see on the outside. What about people with less and more chromosomes than "normal"?

The word “female” is still invoked as the "scientific" definition of a biological woman, which incorrectly conflates sex and gender and erases the identities of intersex and nonbinary people. This false definition isn’t just propagated by the far-right. Some self-proclaimed feminist movements, like gender-critical radical feminists (also known as trans-exclusionary radical feminists, or TERFs) or the so-called anti-abortion feminists also use this definition of what it means to be a woman. How either group can call themselves feminists with their narrow ideas of womanhood and stances against reproductive rights, I don’t know.

While we can point the finger at these groups, there’s just as much work to do in feminist circles that believe in real gender justice, circles that should know that genes do not make gender. We can’t embrace a pithy but exclusionary slogan, even one that asserts that we need more nonmen in leadership, especially nonwhite and nonstraight ones.
Yeah, I’m a feminist and I think this slogan is dumb
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What happened to Orange?
The future is orange?
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I think it depends on if you have time to waste on this or actual problems. This was one of those titles you see and try not to snap an optical nerve with the big ol’ eye roll that comes after
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I think it depends on if you have time to waste on this or actual problems. This was one of those titles you see and try not to snap an optical nerve with the big ol’ eye roll that comes after
Modern progressivism in a nutshell.
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