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With Jo's voting record is it any wonder she would prefer a right winger from the Thatcher government to be caretaker PM rarther than a left wing socialist.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...orbyn-pressure

The yellow tories, don't be fooled guys
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With Jo's voting record is it any wonder she would prefer a right winger from the Thatcher government to be caretaker PM rarther than a left wing socialist.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...orbyn-pressure

The yellow tories, don't be fooled guys
Between Corbyn and the divided Remoaners they really are the gift that keeps on giving.
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Between Corbyn and the divided Remoaners they really are the gift that keeps on giving.
For a conservative yes! For the rest of us it's face-palm time
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For a conservative yes! For the rest of us it's face-palm time
Unfortunately you can be rest assured that for the moment May did sufficient damage in not achieving 'a' Brexit that polling suggests we will repeat the 2010 and 2017 elections (Lab get a feeble 230 but Lib get enough to keep us around 310). While we might pull some extra Brexit Party voters, so probably will Labour from the Greens and Lib Dem's.
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This beautiful whinging cluster**** makes May's Brexit dealings look well-organised :lol:
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Jo Swinson is a whiny idiot who is wrong about everything. I feel sorry for her children. They’re probably going to grow up and be ’gender-fluid’ or something
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And what is wrong with that? Good for them if that's how they feel. Your children would simply grow up very confused before coming out to your surprise and denial.
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And what is wrong with that? Good for them if that's how they feel. Your children would simply grow up very confused before coming out to your surprise and denial.
Whats wrong with that? Well nothing I guess another party that pretends to care for the poor and needy in society while creating and voting for polices that will cause them harm. Good old liberals least they are consistent, in the late 1970s it was the Liberals democratic party under David Steel who broke the Lab-Lib Pact which began the fall of the then Labour government. They voted with Margaret Thatcher to bring down the Labour government in the no-confidence debate in 1979 which led to 18 years of Conservative government. The liberals were no friends of the left then and they are no friends of the left now.

Whats wrong with that, well if they was honest that they and vote for disability, welfare cuts, for the bedroom tax ,etc. No wonder Jo wants a monument to Margaret Thatcher!

Unelectable
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Whats wrong with that? Well nothing I guess another party that pretends to care for the poor and needy in society while creating and voting for polices that will cause them harm. Good old liberals least they are consistent, in the late 1970s it was the Liberals democratic party under David Steel who broke the Lab-Lib Pact which began the fall of the then Labour government. They voted with Margaret Thatcher to bring down the Labour government in the no-confidence debate in 1979 which led to 18 years of Conservative government. The liberals were no friends of the left then and they are no friends of the left now.

Whats wrong with that, well if they was honest that they and vote for disability, welfare cuts, for the bedroom tax ,etc. No wonder Jo wants a monument to Margaret Thatcher!

Unelectable
Blimey. So you are saying the Lib Dems are unelectable because of what they did in the 70s and 80s. Gosh!
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Blimey. So you are saying the Lib Dems are unelectable because of what they did in the 70s and 80s. Gosh!
Last time I checked the disability, welfare cuts, for the bedroom tax cuts I mentioned that they supported was not in the 70's and 80's.
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"left wing" and "right wing" aren't meaningful insults.
They are not insults at all, bizarre why would you think it is?
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You have already put up a strawman about what "right winger"s represent.
Oh I'm prepared to debate that, absolutely it's not a strawman and it's not an insult. The traditional right wing are funded by the wealthy and the polices they implement have disproportionately negative effect on the poorest.

That's no strawman my friend - over to you
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Comrade, what you describe is not an inherently "right-wing" thing.

The Gini index score for China, Vietnam, and Laos are actually worse than the United Kingdom's.
That's right because we had a period of socialism in the UK from the end up f the second wold war untill around 1979. In this period wealth was distributed a little more fair, slum were knocked down, unions gain power and workers stated earning a liveable wage.

I am speaking about UK poltics and the traditional right wing in the UK believe in corporate freedom, individual responsibility and the traditional left believe in employment regulations, group responsibility. To name but two.

That is fact
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The yellow tories seem to have an open door to all who share their brexit stance. A single issue party or a party that really is close to the conservatives anyway? I think the latter it's very easy for a Tory to join the anti-democratic iliberal party because in general they are one of the same.
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I can see them welcoming in Rory Stewart and Sam Gyinah with open arms. Philip Hammond f might be s but hard to swallow though!

They’re like a populist party for the establishment. Who are they going to support next? Jeffery Epstein?
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It's always fun when the otherwise-baffled suddenly realise the Liberal Democrats aren't socialists. The clue's in the name, guys!

I think the rather stranger proposition would be if an avowedly liberal party was to do anything to put someone who is effectively a Communist into government. It would be the end of them, and rightly so.

For eight of the past ten years, Jo Swinson has been a Member of Parliament. For five of them, she was a member of a party in the Coalition Government. For three of those five years, she was a Minister in that Coalition Government. That she supported the Coalition Government and voted with it should be a surprise to no-one.
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That's right because we had a period of socialism in the UK from the end up f the second wold war untill around 1979. In this period wealth was distributed a little more fair, slum were knocked down, unions gain power and workers stated earning a liveable wage.

I am speaking about UK poltics and the traditional right wing in the UK believe in corporate freedom, individual responsibility and the traditional left believe in employment regulations, group responsibility. To name but two.

That is fact
Yet we have virtually all become far wealthier and life has been made far easier by the fruits of economic progress.

Public spending as a proportion of GDP peaked during the Second World War, as you might expect. But it's worth noting that, post-war, even Attlee's government's spending as a proportion of our economy was more or less where it is now. It then dropped in the 1950s, before surging back up in the 1970s.

The reality of that post-war period in the UK is that we had a state that was far less supportive of its citizens than now. Even in terms of employment rights, let's consider the increase in employment rights that has occurred since the 1970s. For one, we can look at the far, far fewer people are dying in the workplace. Or that there is a now a regulated National Minimum Wage. Employment rights and decent working conditions are not the sole preserve of the left.
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It's always fun when the otherwise-baffled suddenly realise the Liberal Democrats aren't socialists. The clue's in the name, guys!

I think the rather stranger proposition would be if an avowedly liberal party was to do anything to put someone who is effectively a Communist into government. It would be the end of them, and rightly so.

For eight of the past ten years, Jo Swinson has been a Member of Parliament. For five of them, she was a member of a party in the Coalition Government. For three of those five years, she was a Minister in that Coalition Government. That she supported the Coalition Government and voted with it should be a surprise to no-one.
Please can you highlight where you believe I have been confused or where I thought the Yellow Tories were socialists, or where anyone believes a liberal party should support communism? I believe the person who is confused here is yourself!

The facts remain, they are not very liberal and certainly not very democratic by the definition of the word. And certainly no friend of the left or of the poorest of society.

The open door policy towards anyone who holds inflexible Brexit views, no matter how they are elected or how abhorrent there other political views are shows this.
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Please can you highlight where you believe I have been confused or where I thought the Yellow Tories were socialists, or where anyone believes a liberal party should support communism? I believe the person who is confused here is yourself!
Your post is entirely about people being 'fooled' by them, as if they're somehow misrepresenting themselves.


The facts remain, they are not very liberal and certainly not very democratic by the definition of the word. And certainly no friend of the left or of the poorest of society.
I would say if they were friends of Jeremy Corbyn, that would demonstrate them as being far less liberal and far less democratic. He is an enemy of liberal democracy and all that it stands for - by electing him as leader, Labour has set themselves outside of the mainstream. While working with other Labour leaders in the past, or working with the Conservatives, is quite reasonable, working with Corbyn should rightly be anathema to them.

Of course the Liberal Democrats aren't going to be friends of the far-left. Again, this is obvious.
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Yet we have virtually all become far wealthier and life has been made far easier by the fruits of economic progress.

Public spending as a proportion of GDP peaked during the Second World War, as you might expect. But it's worth noting that, post-war, even Attlee's government's spending as a proportion of our economy was more or less where it is now. It then dropped in the 1950s, before surging back up in the 1970s.

The reality of that post-war period in the UK is that we had a state that was far less supportive of its citizens than now. Even in terms of employment rights, let's consider the increase in employment rights that has occurred since the 1970s. For one, we can look at the far, far fewer people are dying in the workplace. Or that there is a now a regulated National Minimum Wage. Employment rights and decent working conditions are not the sole preserve of the left.
Well hang on just a moment, these acts you speak of stem all stem from having a left wing government!
WTD, LOLER, PUWER and COSHH regulations to name just a few all brought in by labour governments and most of these are strengthening agreements to HSAWA brought in by a great socialist Micheal foot in the 70's.

What makes me chuckle is how people come on bold as brass with smarty pants comments, but litteraly prove as they carry on talking they know nothing of what they speak about.
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