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It's always fun when the otherwise-baffled suddenly realise the Liberal Democrats aren't socialists. The clue's in the name, guys!

I think the rather stranger proposition would be if an avowedly liberal party was to do anything to put someone who is effectively a Communist into government. It would be the end of them, and rightly so.

For eight of the past ten years, Jo Swinson has been a Member of Parliament. For five of them, she was a member of a party in the Coalition Government. For three of those five years, she was a Minister in that Coalition Government. That she supported the Coalition Government and voted with it should be a surprise to no-one.
Please can you highlight where you believe I have been confused or where I thought the Yellow Tories were socialists, or where anyone believes a liberal party should support communism? I believe the person who is confused here is yourself!

The facts remain, they are not very liberal and certainly not very democratic by the definition of the word. And certainly no friend of the left or of the poorest of society.

The open door policy towards anyone who holds inflexible Brexit views, no matter how they are elected or how abhorrent there other political views are shows this.
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Please can you highlight where you believe I have been confused or where I thought the Yellow Tories were socialists, or where anyone believes a liberal party should support communism? I believe the person who is confused here is yourself!
Your post is entirely about people being 'fooled' by them, as if they're somehow misrepresenting themselves.


The facts remain, they are not very liberal and certainly not very democratic by the definition of the word. And certainly no friend of the left or of the poorest of society.
I would say if they were friends of Jeremy Corbyn, that would demonstrate them as being far less liberal and far less democratic. He is an enemy of liberal democracy and all that it stands for - by electing him as leader, Labour has set themselves outside of the mainstream. While working with other Labour leaders in the past, or working with the Conservatives, is quite reasonable, working with Corbyn should rightly be anathema to them.

Of course the Liberal Democrats aren't going to be friends of the far-left. Again, this is obvious.
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Yet we have virtually all become far wealthier and life has been made far easier by the fruits of economic progress.

Public spending as a proportion of GDP peaked during the Second World War, as you might expect. But it's worth noting that, post-war, even Attlee's government's spending as a proportion of our economy was more or less where it is now. It then dropped in the 1950s, before surging back up in the 1970s.

The reality of that post-war period in the UK is that we had a state that was far less supportive of its citizens than now. Even in terms of employment rights, let's consider the increase in employment rights that has occurred since the 1970s. For one, we can look at the far, far fewer people are dying in the workplace. Or that there is a now a regulated National Minimum Wage. Employment rights and decent working conditions are not the sole preserve of the left.
Well hang on just a moment, these acts you speak of stem all stem from having a left wing government!
WTD, LOLER, PUWER and COSHH regulations to name just a few all brought in by labour governments and most of these are strengthening agreements to HSAWA brought in by a great socialist Micheal foot in the 70's.

What makes me chuckle is how people come on bold as brass with smarty pants comments, but litteraly prove as they carry on talking they know nothing of what they speak about.
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Your post is entirely about people being 'fooled' by them, as if they're somehow misrepresenting themselves.
Correct, your point?? I ask again being as so that does not answer any question I asked.

Where have been confused or where have I thought the Yellow Tories were socialists?
Where have I stated a liberal party should support communism?

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I would say if they were friends of Jeremy Corbyn, that would demonstrate them as being far less liberal and far less democratic. He is an enemy of liberal democracy and all that it stands for - by electing him as leader, Labour has set themselves outside of the mainstream. While working with other Labour leaders in the past, or working with the Conservatives, is quite reasonable, working with Corbyn should rightly be anathema to them.

Of course the Liberal Democrats aren't going to be friends of the far-left. Again, this is obvious.
I think you are getting confused between socialism and communism. The far left are communists who are normally dictators, these people are an enemy of liberal democracy. However these people are irrelevant because we are not talking about these people.
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It's always fun when the otherwise-baffled suddenly realise the Liberal Democrats aren't socialists. The clue's in the name, guys!

I think the rather stranger proposition would be if an avowedly liberal party was to do anything to put someone who is effectively a Communist into government. It would be the end of them, and rightly so.

For eight of the past ten years, Jo Swinson has been a Member of Parliament. For five of them, she was a member of a party in the Coalition Government. For three of those five years, she was a Minister in that Coalition Government. That she supported the Coalition Government and voted with it should be a surprise to no-one.
You're correct that no one should be surprised about Swinson's position. However, my gripe is that lots of people who are either left or centre left seem to think that the Lib Dems are this cuddly centre left party, just because of their position on Brexit. In reality they are a centre right party.
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