France falls 14 places in homophobia index amid spate of LGBTQ-phobic attacks Watch

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Homophobia is easily more prevalent amongst certain foreign groups than amongst the majority of native white brits, something that can be easily demonstrated with a cursory look at statistics on attitudes
My point was more it is hardly exclusive to 'certain foreign groups' (by which i can only assume you mean Muslims?) at any rate i would note that it is more exclusive to, well, any group that identifies as religious or conservative. With the latter being to a point, i guess.
Plus there is still a distinct distaste towards gays amongst the more conservative working classes in Britain. Just because the 'liberal metropolitan elite' are happy to wave the rainbow flag by no means means that the masses do. As shown in various statistical evidence.
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My point was more it is hardly exclusive to 'certain foreign groups' (by which i can only assume you mean Muslims?) at any rate i would note that it is more exclusive to, well, any group that identifies as religious or conservative. With the latter being to a point, i guess.
Plus there is still a distinct distaste towards gays amongst the more conservative working classes in Britain. Just because the 'liberal metropolitan elite' are happy to wave the rainbow flag by no means means that the masses do. As shown in various statistical evidence.
Can you show me this statistical evidence?
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Can you show me this statistical evidence?
I'm not entirely sure how to send you a PDF on this site? Although, do you have access to JSTOR?
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I'm not entirely sure how to send you a PDF on this site? Although, do you have access to JSTOR?
Can you not just post the link? Sorry I don’t have access to JSTOR
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Can you not just post the link? Sorry I don’t have access to JSTOR
Ah that could be a problem then. At any rate suffice it to say the article notes a correlation in traditional working class people holding gay culture in limited regard. With that being said it is a relatively old article so views might have changed to a point but i would still be willing to bet that in a broad sense the article holds true.
This debate vaguely reminds me of the film 'billy elliot' actually
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Ah that could be a problem then. At any rate suffice it to say the article notes a correlation in traditional working class people holding gay culture in limited regard. With that being said it is a relatively old article so views might have changed to a point but i would still be willing to bet that in a broad sense the article holds true.
This debate vaguely reminds me of the film 'billy elliot' actually
I wouldn’t consider anything done to before 2005 to be a good indicator of public attitude tbh; a survey done in 2007 showed that 90% of the British public opposed discrimination against LGBT individuals and more recently a 2013 survey found that 76% agree homosexuality should be accepted by society,

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ay/23/equality.

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2...homosexuality/
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I wouldn’t consider anything done to before 2005 to be a good indicator of public attitude tbh; a survey done in 2007 showed that 90% of the British public opposed discrimination against LGBT individuals and more recently a 2013 survey found that 76% agree homosexuality should be accepted by society,

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ay/23/equality.

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2...homosexuality/
I'll give the articles a read when im back home but to be honest (this might just be ones innate biases here) but i tend to be overly skeptical of polls in general. With that being said i take the point the societal views have changed quite a lot in the past decade or two. Although i am curious about the gap between what is said in public and what is said in private. To that end whilst people broadly might publicly say 'live and let live' their own personal views can, and do, differ quite dramatically from that. I mean i know many who would agree with the point you made but still personally dislike the idea of homosexuality. i.e. the two points are not mutually exclusive.
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I'll give the articles a read when im back home but to be honest (this might just be ones innate biases here) but i tend to be overly skeptical of polls in general. With that being said i take the point the societal views have changed quite a lot in the past decade or two. Although i am curious about the gap between what is said in public and what is said in private. To that end whilst people broadly might publicly say 'live and let live' their own personal views can, and do, differ quite dramatically from that. I mean i know many who would agree with the point you made but still personally dislike the idea of homosexuality. i.e. the two points are not mutually exclusive.
I kinda get what you mean; I know many working class men who have no problem with gay men but find the idea of having something in their waste pipe abhorrent. I wouldn’t personally consider this homophobic as I am personally equally repulsed by the idea
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First they was @ing the Muslims now they @ing the gay people, that's stoic old Franch for you.
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I kinda get what you mean; I know many working class men who have no problem with gay men but find the idea of having something in their waste pipe abhorrent. I wouldn’t personally consider this homophobic as I am personally equally repulsed by the idea
Asexual people hate the idea of any kind of sex and it can make feel sick thinking and see any form of sexual contacted even holding hands.
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Asexual people hate the idea of any kind of sex and it can make feel sick thinking and see any form of sexual contacted even holding hands.
Yes that’s also true
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First they was @ing the Muslims now they @ing the gay people, that's stoic old Franch for you.
you forgetting the dangerous amount of anti-semitism over there? France isn't open for anyone, it's a country riddled in all sorts of mayhem. That's probably why they want to get rid of Marcon but whether a new right wing party will rise is very worrying. One of their right wing parties is extremely anti-semetic and was a holocaust denier. France isn't open for Jewish people
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you forgetting the dangerous amount of anti-semitism over there? France isn't open for anyone, it's a country riddled in all sorts of mayhem. That's probably why they won't to get rid of Marcon but whether a new right wing party will rise is very worrying. One of their right wing parties is extremely anti-semetic and was a holocaust denier. France isn't open for Jewish people
Fun fact: France introduced anti-black legislation before even the US.
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