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(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
Agreed. Removing citizenship at the behest of vote-seeking politicians also sets a very bad precedent. It's one of the cornerstones of fascist states to do this. The man should be put on trial for his crimes.
I agree with making him stand trial, he has been detained and can stand trial in the country where he commited his crimes as is normal practice.

Im sure the Kurds have a very thorough justice system capable of dealing with him.

As for removing citizenship he also has Canadian national, hence he still has a state to return to although quite frankly Kurdistan-regions has capital punishment, so if there was ever a crime its applicable for this is it, and his nationality wont matter after that.

I do think maybe we need a new policy on 'citizenship removal' making it clear when the home office will/ wont enforce it, and what rights *people* have. But high-treason should be grounds for removal of citizenship, and i think this evil-C*** more than qualifies.
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Jihadi Jack should be brought back to this country and blown up
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Jihadi Jack should be brought back to this country and blown up
Nah, Syrian justice is a lot more fitting
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If you read my post you would have noticed that I never claimed that patriotism requires homogeniety per se, but that homogeneous countries are able to glorify the achievements of their ancestors without being branded as 'racists', 'slave owners', etc.

In terms of the Americans, they will face the same fate as the UK this century, especially when the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency and the US' unipolar moment officially ends (i.e. their Suez):






Anyway, you seem to be dodging my question. My assertion is that British patriotism was built upon imperialism, and that the loss of empire destroyed British patriotism. Since decolonisation, it would seem that Britain has been trying to create a new sense of patriotism based on values (democracy, liberty, tolerance, openness, etc). However, judging by the record low levels of patriotism in the UK, it doesn't seem as if the new sense of patriotism is hitting the spot.

You said, "to tie our patriotism to the Empire was a deluded exercise." So, by all means, explain to me what the pillars of British patriotism were in the first half of the 20th century - what made Brits proud to be British before 1956 if it wasn't the Empire?
I think British patriotism came from values that you mentioned and not Empire. The idea was that those in power pushed the Empire as something for all men, women and children to be proud of, but that was a false premise. Most British people did not partake in the “fruits” of Empire, as many were ‘peasants’ who were just a step or couple of steps better than Black and Brown people in servitude of the Empire.

I agree with you that elements of decline of patriotism came in the 1960s. This was, I think, because those black and brown people who were regarded as “less than” were suddenly the peers of the same people being told to be proud of their ‘greatness’.

Now, my point, which you seemed to have ignored, was that patriotism is not simply based on one’s nation dominating or running the world. As I previously wrote, many smaller and generally insignificant nations are patriotic and have not been the superpowers or leaders of the global order.
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He's abandoned this country, we've ababdoned him. Seems fair to me.
What does it say of our nation and our values?
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We don't have the punishments in the legal system to deal with certain crimes.

Perhaps if we had true life sentences and an ADX Florence style prison, we could.

At the moment it is not in the public interest to have him return and face trial. It would cause an uproar whatever was decided.
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https://news.sky.com/story/jihadi-ja...urces-11788024

Excellent.


His parents have branded the government cowards, just no.
I mean good on the government and all but you cant really fault the parents for taking umbrage with this.
I do rather like how miffed the Canadians are though :lol:
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What does it say of our nation and our values?
He's not interested in them, so why should we be interested in him? He's just said he doesn't care and nationality is only a piece of paper.
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I would prefer that special forces escort him back to the UK where he could be tried for treason and publicly hung.
Seems like a waste of good rope.

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He's not interested in them, so why should we be interested in him? He's just said he doesn't care and nationality is only a piece of paper.
This is not about him but our country and our values. It is about how we treat our citizens. Also, there is a double standard because we wont have revoked the citizenship of a terrorist with no additional citizenship.

This was pure political play by Javid to make himself look like a top politician, so he can take over as PM.
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and everyone was saying if shamina was called stacey beckett they'd let her back into the UK.

lmfao
But there are terrorists who have entered back into the UK??
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Lol, ok
I wouldn’t normally call someone out on what they believe in, but it’s just utterly ridiculous.


People like you are why we have a growing number in society who are not afraid of law and order, or punishments. You are more than willing to let someone who left this country to become a member of a terrorist organisation back into this country with arms wide open. It’s just ridiculous.

You said above, should we discard him? Yes, he discarded up. The fact you see us as ‘discarding’ a member of a terrorist organisation is just ludicrous.

Then to top it all off you bring values into it, what does it show of this countries values? It’s shows that we will not let those who do harm, or can do harm into this country, it shows that we are strong. It does not make us a holiday camp for any terrorists with a slight tinge of regret.
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I wouldn’t normally call someone out on what they believe in, but it’s just utterly ridiculous.


People like you are why we have a growing number in society who are not afraid of law and order, or punishments. You are more than willing to let someone who left this country to become a member of a terrorist organisation back into this country with arms wide open. It’s just ridiculous.

You said above, should we discard him? Yes, he discarded up. The fact you see us as ‘discarding’ a member of a terrorist organisation is just ludicrous.

Then to top it all off you bring values into it, what does it show of this countries values? It’s shows that we will not let those who do harm, or can do harm into this country, it shows that we are strong. It does not make us a holiday camp for any terrorists with a slight tinge of regret.
That is fair. I don't think he should be brought back with open arms. I believe he should face justice and jailed. This is different from discarding him.

Also our approach is both stupid and not consistent. We are revoking citizenship of British nationals, who have loopholes in their profiles because we can do that. If we tried to do such with full British people, the Home Office could be destroyed by litigation.

It sends the wrong signal to dual nationals that they are second class citizens.
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ISIS are scum they deserve nothing more or less than a slow and painful death.
So you are advocating execution by torture, something that has been outlawed by every civilised nation and abhorred by every civilised person - yet ironically, ISIS employ it.
Interesting...
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Another foolish act by Mr Javid. He is disowning British nationals and showing the world that the UK has contempt for its citizens.
Clearly a racist act, yes?
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A mistake is getting caught with you girlfriend in the back seat of your dads car while you are wearing your mum’s underwear. Not joining a terror group.
True dat!
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That is not the point though. We have sent a strong signal to them that they are not really British. Yes, they could have the passport, sing the anthem, attend our schools and think they are, but then we throw them in the bin because they have connection to another random country.

This is why patriotism is dying in this country, we seem to talk a lot of rubbish about what it means to be British. We should not discard one of our own. They must have our sovereign protection and find justice:
Serious question... are you high?
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What happened in 1956?
British Patriotism died. Didn't you hear him?
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Can’t honestly tell if you’re trolling or not...
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Someone needs to sit white boy down somewhere lol muslims are just going to blame his antics on meddling westerners one day. Now that he's not British anymore, he will definitely join Isis lol
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