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The current fad of paper straws is ridiculous aslastic straws are incredibly small and light, make up a tiny percentage of actual plastic waste, paper straws are a tiny marginal improvement for a trade off of a far inferior product and finally almost all of the plastic waste comes from Asian and Africa. This fad is the same as the focus of "green" energy over nuclear, just a ploy for companies to monetise rich white people virtue signalling to their friends.
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The current fad of paper straws is ridiculous aslastic straws are incredibly small and light, make up a tiny percentage of actual plastic waste, paper straws are a tiny marginal improvement for a trade off of a far inferior product and finally almost all of the plastic waste comes from Asian and Africa. This fad is the same as the focus of "green" energy over nuclear, just a ploy for companies to monetise rich white people virtue signalling to their friends.
Yeah I agree with the straw thing, paper straws are vastly inferior. I'd rather have reusable metal/rubber ones than paper ones if the environment is such a concern.

Although (this is a topic I'm particularly involved in), there's nothing wrong with renewables, and nor is there anything wrong with nuclear. They both have their situations in which they're better than the other (solar panels on individual homes, nuclear for base load etc), and I'd class them both as green. For some reason though, it is true that only renewables are considered when virtue signalling. Probably because people dislike nuclear for no logical reason other than they've been told its dangerous/unethical/other nonsense
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Agreed. The most ridiculous thing is seeing people using paper straws with their plastic Starbucks cups.
Fishing nets make up most of the plastic in the ocean apparently, paper straws are just something to make people feel like they are saving the environment
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The current fad of paper straws is ridiculous aslastic straws are incredibly small and light, make up a tiny percentage of actual plastic waste, paper straws are a tiny marginal improvement for a trade off of a far inferior product and finally almost all of the plastic waste comes from Asian and Africa. This fad is the same as the focus of "green" energy over nuclear, just a ploy for companies to monetise rich white people virtue signalling to their friends.
It's not the quantitative magnitude and impact of the movement that matters, but instead the awareness and motivation it provides to a less informed public. An easily facilitated, seemingly insignificant step forward involving a wider population can cause much more progression than one could imagine.
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Yeah I agree with the straw thing, paper straws are vastly inferior. I'd rather have reusable metal/rubber ones than paper ones if the environment is such a concern.

Although (this is a topic I'm particularly involved in), there's nothing wrong with renewables, and nor is there anything wrong with nuclear. They both have their situations in which they're better than the other (solar panels on individual homes, nuclear for base load etc), and I'd class them both as green. For some reason though, it is true that only renewables are considered when virtue signalling. Probably because people dislike nuclear for no logical reason other than they've been told its dangerous/unethical/other nonsense
Metal straws are not really a good replacement, they take far more CO2 to produce and you would have to use each one you own everyday for most of the year to break even.

Everything is wrong with renewable, and they should not be used outside of charging calculators and portable phone chargers. Solar panels are a prime example they are made out of toxic materials that if dumped in landfills can sink into ground water and poison people. This is a huge problem as now since they are becoming more popular with white middle class virtue signallers, Chinese knock offs that break in about 5 years have flooded the market. So in about 5 years we are going to see a surge in the benefits of renewable technology. On top of that they produce way more CO2 to power compared to nuclear, and aren't reliable so why even bother.

Peoples dislike of nuclear is simple, the people that lead the conversation of becoming a more eco friendly species just plain hate human development and prosperity. They are anti human and they literally see humanity as a plague, in their minds its either we have nice things or eco system stays intact.
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It's not the quantitative magnitude and impact of the movement that matters, but instead the awareness and motivation it provides to a less informed public. An easily facilitated, seemingly insignificant step forward involving a wider population can cause much more progression than one could imagine.
So your admitting i'm right it is virtue signalling. But even on that end paper straws are a bad idea, the public at large is on board and knowledgeable about climate change. This just takes makes people pissed off because paper straws are so inconvenient and worse than plastic ones, while still being sold in or around other one use plastic items. This is all ignoring the fact that when people find out that we dont dump our plastic in the ocean to begin with, they will see any green activist that supported this as either a hack or a liar. If you want to convince people to do something dont lie to them like children that's really demeaning.
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So your admitting i'm right it is virtue signalling. But even on that end paper straws are a bad idea, the public at large is on board and knowledgeable about climate change. This just takes makes people pissed off because paper straws are so inconvenient and worse than plastic ones, while still being sold in or around other one use plastic items. This is all ignoring the fact that when people find out that we dont dump our plastic in the ocean to begin with, they will see any green activist that supported this as either a hack or a liar. If you want to convince people to do something dont lie to them like children that's really demeaning.
Not so similarly, I'm admitting that the environmental effect of replacing plastic straws with paper straws is far less significant than what the other opportunities available to us present, though nonetheless proportionally impactful. Hence, I agree that companies and people who express their support for the movement, with little or no valuable evidence of proactively acting for it, would be virtue signalling; but the essence of the movement itself is not. I largely appreciate the fact that 'being green' is being increasingly – and, far too often, wrongly – commercialised by recent organisations looking to capitalise. However, I believe that the true efforts supporting environmental awareness and preservation are undoubtedly good and moral in intent, and that said intent is, sadly, being obscured, even misunderstood, due to those who use it to their unjust advantage.
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This is so appropriate:rofl:
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Since when did we regress so far, we forgot how to drink from a cup?
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The current fad of paper straws is ridiculous aslastic straws are incredibly small and light, make up a tiny percentage of actual plastic waste, paper straws are a tiny marginal improvement for a trade off of a far inferior product and finally almost all of the plastic waste comes from Asian and Africa. This fad is the same as the focus of "green" energy over nuclear, just a ploy for companies to monetise rich white people virtue signalling to their friends.
8.5 billion plastic straws are made every year in the UK.Hardly a tiny number and each of them last 200 years.If Queen Victoria had had one at her coronation we could still have it on display today.Plastic bottles can take anything from 500-1000 years to decompose.To put that in perspective if Richard 3rd had been drinking from one at the battle of York it would still be good to use today.Paper ones degrade after a few days- weeks. That's the problem with plastic.You have to consider the impact of 7 billion people using billions of plastic items for a thousand years.Shockingly some people quite like the way earth looks and would rather not turn it into a big garbage heap.
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This is so appropriate:rofl:
So how many turtles would we be saving in the UK by not using plastic straws. Let me guess....could it be a big round zero.
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Agree. I hate using paper straws. Even when you put the straw getting soggy aside I don't really like the sensation of sucking them.
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You seem like a very angry person 24/7
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So how many turtles would we be saving in the UK by not using plastic straws. Let me guess....could it be a big round zero.
Well it wouldn't actually be zero. But anyway, the tweet was clearly a joke😂 it's better than just sitting around feeling I don't have a moral obligation to consume as ethical as is practical and possible. While criticising other people's efforts because I'm insecure about my own inactivity.

No, I'm not actually under the impression that my individual action is going to "save the planet" but it definitely does have an impact and is better than nothing. I do also think there needs to be systematic change, responsibility on companies, technological development, social change, socio-economic equality, etc
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So how many turtles would we be saving in the UK by not using plastic straws. Let me guess....could it be a big round zero.
We'd be saving ourselves for one thing.Plastics don't biodegrade.They get broken down by light eventually but that doesn't happen at the bottom of the ocean because of lack of sunlight.They just get smaller and smaller.These microplastics are then eaten by sea life like fish.And then we eat the fish along with any microplastics in their bodies.Its unknown how eating plastic effects us but I can't imagine it will do anything good for us.I imagine it's probably toxic on some level.
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Small switches to paper straws etc aren't there to save the environment, they're to encourage as many people to start considering the impact they have on the environment and carry this into other areas of their lives e.g. with plastic bottles and carrier bags.

Also, wet card/paper like straws and cups can't be recycled anyway.
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Small switches to paper straws etc aren't there to save the environment, they're to encourage as many people to start considering the impact they have on the environment and carry this into other areas of their lives e.g. with plastic bottles and carrier bags.

Also, wet card/paper like straws and cups can't be recycled anyway.
They don't need to be recycled though.
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They don't need to be recycled though.
But they often get thrown into non-recycling bins and, by extension, landfill sites. So it's trading off having the material immediately recycled, for filling landfill sites where it will degrade over a few weeks.
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Am I the only one that doesn’t use straws?
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Adults needing straws from restaurants at all is stupid.
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