Meat will surely be a thing of the past?

You absolute clown. People cannot sustain a diet on soy beans and grain. Don't chat absolute ****e to me about 'science' lmao. Soy beans and grains do not contain all the essentials to life 😂😂. You and your cult are honestly the most retarded beings to live. If you didn't know, not all land is fertile for every crop. Specific crops require certain conditions and nutrition to grow, which isn't provided by every land there is. A land may be able to grow grass, but not soy bean.

I can respect a person who follows a Vegan diet, I loathe a vegan who preaches it on others. I don't worry much tho, I'm sure natural selection will be at work soon :P.

But what if someone values a plate of steak over animals suffering? Isn't it their right to have an opinion?

Obviously in your fantasy, only you are correct, backed up by your irrational thoughts and opinions. And should anyone differ in beliefs, they are worse than Satan himself 😂

You really are struggling to follow basic text aren't you?

Can I suggest before you try to insult/make smarty pants comment's to indicate a superior intelligence to others you clearly don't possess, you actually read and try too comprehend/understand people's veiw point? It will help you in successful debate in future.

1) I've never suggested that immigration is unsustainable or anything about reducing real term immigration, I only endorced the control of immigration.

2) I've never endorsed the Killing or suffering of animals for needless purposes.

3) I've pointed out one area where traditional farm to fork farming, has its benifits to the environment, you however you glossed over it in you're self richeous unpleasant manner because it doesn't fit with your witch hunt.

If you are not prepared to debate you're points properly and reasonable then there is little point talking to you. You continue to use you're Spectic peg style crystal ball to tell me what I'm thinking, and reinforce you're world of make believe.

That would be like saying 'well what if I value stabbing people over human suffering, isn't that my right?'. Or 'what if people value having slaves over human suffering, isn't that right?' If someone wants to punch you in the face that's their right yeah?

Growing crops to feed animals and then eating the animals is obviously less efficient and more resource intensive than just eating the crops ourselves.

At the moment we breed billions of livestock simply to eat, and have to grow an enormous amount of food to feed them. If we didn't breed hundreds of millions of animals just to be killed, humans could survive on a fraction of the food we feed to livestock.

Many make a difference between animal and human suffering. I'm against needless suffering of any animal. Factory farming is plain nasty

To some extent - meat is an inefficient use of land. However, not all crops are suitable for humans. We're not great grass eaters, and that can grow on land where it's difficult to cultivate other crops.

I agree with the cruelty and efficiency arguments, but like meat. I eat very little red meat, but a fair amount of chicken / turkey. I'd happily move to meat substitutes if they tasted nice and provided the same nutrition. However, I'd rather have nice tasting food than waste resources replicating the taste, texture and juices of meat - that seems like a waste. I understand the logic behind it, but it does dilute the efficiency argument.

Just because many people do soemthing, it doesn't justify it.

That poster seemed to be suggesting meat eating is fine because people dont care about animal suffering, which is a rather circular argument.

All farming of animals (that end up being killed for food) causes needless suffering. Cows are artificially impregnated and made to produce far more milk than they ordinarily would. That's needless suffering.

I'm glad you don't like factory farming but the reality of the meat and dairy industry is far close to factory farming than people are prepared to admit to themselves.

What a ridiculous argument again. You seem to specialise in those.

That would be like saying 'well what if I value stabbing people over human suffering, isn't that my right?'. Or 'what if people value having slaves over human suffering, isn't that right?' If someone wants to punch you in the face that's their right yeah?

If you really can't see the objective difference between choosing to go to the cinema and choosing to needlessly kill hundreds of millions of animals each year, then you're passed the point of help.

You don't need meat or chicken for nutrition. Chickpeas, beans, lentils, tofu etc and veg provide almost everything you can get from chicken and are generally healthier and cheaper too.

Yes an anecdote about your friend not walking his dogs is obviously the equivalent of killing hundreds of millions of animals each year.

I've not suggested any witch hunts. Perhaps you can stick to what I've actually said.

What an angry and unpleasant individual you are. Perhaps it's time you stopped drinking breast milk.

Novak Djokovic, the best tennis player in thr world, is vegan and has been for a number of years. The idea that you can't survive and thrive on a vegan diet is demonstrably false.

We grow a huge amount of crops to feed to billions of livestock, only to then eat the livestock. Logically if we ate the crops ourselves it would be hugely more efficient.

And yet another strawman. I never claimed it wasn't possible. I'm saying it's not viable for the masses. Novak has nutritionists and dietitians on his payroll to make sure he's fit. The average Joe can just about afford a Vegan diet nvm a full team who look after their meals.

Also, my point refuting the nonsense you sent me was regarding the fact that it claims that soybeans and wheat alone is enough to feed 6bill people. Its untrue and a blatent lie. Nutrition factors in more than just calories.

"Logically if we ate the crops", after reading this, I won't be replying to your retarded statements anymore lol. I cannot believe you're so ignorant of basic scientific knowledge. A cow can digest grass whereas we cannot. Not all land and environments are capable of growing every crop.

GL in the future pal, cus you'll need it with the level of intellect you possess.

And yet another strawman. I never claimed it wasn't possible. I'm saying it's not viable for the masses. Novak has nutritionists and dietitians on his payroll to make sure he's fit. The average Joe can just about afford a Vegan diet nvm a full team who look after their meals.

Also, my point refuting the nonsense you sent me was regarding the fact that it claims that soybeans and wheat alone is enough to feed 6bill people. Its untrue and a blatent lie. Nutrition factors in more than just calories.

"Logically if we ate the crops", after reading this, I won't be replying to your retarded statements anymore lol. I cannot believe you're so ignorant of basic scientific knowledge. A cow can digest grass whereas we cannot. Not all land and environments are capable of growing every crop.

GL in the future pal, cus you'll need it with the level of intellect you possess.

No I did, however calling for the demise of the meat trade, including farming while ignoring all positives to me is a witch hunt.

I stand by my statement.

No. I never at ay point said it was. The person I quoted was talking about the hypocrisy of people who preach about veganism, while not giving as much as they can - or living to excess - in other respects. I was merely stating the irony of a woman (note: not a he) who preaches about loving animals on Facebook and then treats her own like rubbish. People sometimes seem to think they're some sort of holy creature because they don't eat meat, but their views are just too insular.

Read what you're quoting - properly - before you reply to it. Surely you cannot disagree that locking two relatively large dogs in a small kitchen for two weeks with no exercise is cruel.

Also, what you said about it not being equal to killing hundreds of millions of animals a year is interesting. It's the typical attitude of "well my actions don't matter in the grand scheme of things." Every wrong deserves to be righted, or at least attempted.

I have fewer qualms about eating animals with tiny brains - not ideal, I know. On nutrients, almost isn't enough. Meat (including red) is by far the easiest way to get a wide range of them. Dairy is also quite hard to replace.

Tofu and I don't get along - I hate the stuff. I'd eat more vegetarian food if so much of it didn't contain tofu.

It'd be interesting to see some analysis of the production of nutritional supplements. I doubt that it's as bad as meat, but they do tend to come in plastic packaging, and can be hard to absorb without other foods.

I've called for the demise of a trade which needlessly kills hundreds of millions of animals a year and contributes massively to global warming.

There's obviously more important issues at stake though, like making it harder for foreigners to work as nurses in the UK right?

I find it rather bizarre that meat eaters who drink, smoke and eat fast food, seem so concerned about health when it comes to veganism.

You can buy supplements very cheaply and the basic parts of a vegan diet are cheap too.

Ultimately you have to ask yourself the question of whether having a slightly nicer tasting meal which takes 5 minutes to consume is worth killing an innocent animal for.