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Hi,

I am holding a conditional offer from Warwick as my insurance choice. I have thus far not even considered going there as I have my heart set on attending LSE - which is my firm choice. However, after doing miserably in some Further Maths exams....I need to be prepared mentally for a bit of a shock on results day.

Now, my concern is that (being in London) when you tell someone you're from LSE...they say "Wow" and when you mention Warwick they'll ask "Where's that"!? In other words, it seems to me in terms of how prestigious both unis are, Warwick is far far far below LSE. My course at Warwick would be run by WBS (I've only just discovered what that means - I actually have no idea about Warwick lol) and going by comments on this board...WBS seems to have a fairly good reputation.

I guess I am just after reassurances that Warwick is actually not the end of the world if I miss the grades for LSE. I'd just like to know how much lower we are talking compared to LSE?

Sorry for the vagueness of my post....I don't even know what I'm asking...it just occured to me that I might have to go to Warwick and I know next to nothing about it :rolleyes:
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Warwick are VERY choosy, so if you have an offer be honoured.

I absolutely LOVED the campus when I visited and was so desperate for an offer.

They rejected me immediately though.
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Of course LSE is always going to havethe big name. However, Warwick is very well respected by those in the know.

It's arguably second only to LSE in your area (and quite frankly there isn't a great deal between the two).

It's well respected by city firms. I think that should tell you something.
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Warwick are VERY choosy, so if you have an offer be honoured.

I absolutely LOVED the campus when I visited and was so desperate for an offer.

They rejected me immediately though.
Warwick rejected you but Oxford accepted you :confused: Working that out is beyond my intelligence :p:
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warwick is meant to be a really good university. It's apparently quite difficult to get into it. Those people that i know who have got a place in it are actually pretty much 'over the moon' about it. You should actually be really happy.
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Warwick rejected you but Oxford accepted you :confused: Working that out is beyond my intelligence :p:
Apparently they don't like those with Oxford offers because they assume you'll obv. choose Oxbridge over them if you get the grades.
I had the rejection from Warwick literally hours before my Oxford letter arrived. Hmmmmm!

Seriously though, when I was applying to Unis, Warwick was my goal. Obv, Oxford was my first choice but I never considered for a second that I'd actually get an offer from there, so my heart was set on Warwick. It's a lively, friendly campus with modern facilities, great accomodation, a fabulous reputation and (judging from the ones I encountered which granted were only English ones) were brilliant, really witty and interesting.


I cried when they rejected me. Luckily I had Oxford phoning me the following morning so I was consoled fairly quickly
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Warwick rejected you but Oxford accepted you :confused: Working that out is beyond my intelligence :p:
Should tell you something about how picky and prestigious they are then!

It happens. Durham, UCL, Bristol, Imperial, LSE even York, Manchester and Newcastle have all been known to reject a candidate, then for that candidate to get into Oxbrdige.

Oxbridge isn't the bees knees and holy grail of HE as some seem to think. The difference between Oxbridge and many of the other top unis is narrowing. What's more some unis can have even more stringent entry standards that Oxbridge, for some courses anyway.
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Apparently they don't like those with Oxford offers because they assume you'll obv. choose Oxbridge over them if you get the grades.

That's complete crap quite frankly. You hear the same thing about other unis (including Durham, despite it being for "Oxbridge rejects). A university doesn't even know which other universities you are applying to.

How will the know you've even applied to Oxford, let alone got an offer.
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Warwick is very prestigious and especially so for it's economics/business based courses. LSE is a "specialist" university; it's in the name, it's been established for far longer than Warwick has and it's based in the Capital, yes LSE is good. But, in the space of 40 years Warwick is doing exceptionally well and it's arguably a top ten university, top five for your subject (I'm guessing you are doing something economics/business based). Check the league tables, they're not infallible but they'll give you a rough guide. Here, for example: http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/tol_...sub=&x=16&y=11, others may even rank it higher.
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That's complete crap quite frankly. You hear the same thing about other unis (including Durham, despite it being for "Oxbridge rejects). A university doesn't even know which other universities you are applying to.

How will the know you've even applied to Oxford, let alone got an offer.

I did say "apparently" ! I'm not assuming, just repeating what I've heard.
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I did say "apparently" ! I'm not assuming, just repeating what I've heard.
Yes well, no offence but what you've heard is complete crap and it actually annoys me people say that. Especially as it's obvious (at least to me) other unis don't even know what you're applying to. Tell anyone how says that the truth. Please.

This didn't used to be the case when the application was done on paper. Now it's electronic (I think I was the second year to do electronic applications - 2002 so quite new) you've got some secrecy.

As if it can be so difficult for a university to reject a candidate as they had someone better (no offence) and then for Oxford or Cambridge to still accept them. It happens. Competition can be equally fierce outside Oxbridge.
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Thanks for the replies. Lots of support for Warwick....I hope you don't all hold biased views 'cos you study there or soon will be

Out of interest, can I still apply for campus accommodation?
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Now, my concern is that (being in London) when you tell someone you're from LSE...they say "Wow" and when you mention Warwick they'll ask "Where's that"!?
That is more a comment on how parochial even Londoners can be than on the supposed inferiority of Warwick.
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Should tell you something about how picky and prestigious they are then!

It happens. Durham, UCL, Bristol, Imperial, LSE even York, Manchester and Newcastle have all been known to reject a candidate, then for that candidate to get into Oxbrdige.

Oxbridge isn't the bees knees and holy grail of HE as some seem to think. The difference between Oxbridge and many of the other top unis is narrowing. What's more some unis can have even more stringent entry standards that Oxbridge, for some courses anyway.
Oxbridge will always be far ahead of the rest of the pack.
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I'm not biased. I'm at Durham so I suppose Warwick are a fierece rival.

Also I just had a disagreement with someone the other day who neg repped me telling me Warwick was better for her course (as if I care about that) and that Durham was on its way down the tables.

Don't worry, I don't hold anything against the uni though.

But yeah, people forget it's only a plate glass uni, so forty years old. A lot younger than most ex-polys and even some unis such as Reading. It's came a long way in such a short time and shows no sign of a decline.

That it's slightly better respected than Durham in IB says a lot. Or maybe that shows just how crap the business and economics departments of Durham are......
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Yes well, no offence but what you've heard is complete crap and it actually annoys me people say that. Especially as it's obvious (at least to me) other unis don't even know what you're applying to. Tell anyone how says that the truth. Please.

This didn't used to be the case when the application was done on paper. Now it's electronic (I think I was the second year to do electronic applications - 2002 so quite new) you've got some secrecy.

As if it can be so difficult for a university to reject a candidate as they had someone better (no offence) and then for Oxford or Cambridge to still accept them. It happens. Competition can be equally fierce outside Oxbridge.

To be honest, I get annoyed by these things too. Especially the assumption that Oxbridge have some different and mysterious way of selecting candidates. I may have impressed Oxford with my statement and interview, but also got rejections from Durham and Warwick. That doesn't mean that they think they're above Oxbridge or something, it just shows a difference in preference when judging statements. Each university has different teaching methods and requires different skills and attitudes from a student. I clearly had what Brasenose College were looking for, but didn't have the right style of statement for Warwick or Durham.
I really loved both universities too, and don't get me wrong and assume I'm having a case of sour grapes by referencing the "Oxbridge applicant rejection" myth. It's just something quoted from time to time, injust as it may be.
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Oxbridge will always be far ahead of the rest of the pack.
No it's not. Not in a good deal of subjects.

Land management and architecture? Oxford is nowhere to be seen (don't offer the courses) so there's only Cambridge. Reading, Sheffield and Nottingham aren't too far behind Cambrdge at all.

History, English, music, philosophy? UCL and Durham are right behind (Durham have arguably the "best" english department in the country). Durham's history department is probably more selective than Oxford or Cambridge are.

The sciences and engineering? Imperial and, to a lesser extent, Durham, UCL and Bristol plus the redbricks.

Economics? LSE, UCL and Warwick.

Medicine - university prestige matters little in this area. Nowhere is in front.

The gap is quite narrow in some areas, even non-existent. The fact that employers are looking less and less at uni brand name (yes, even Oxbridge) partly shows this.
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Oxbridge will always be far ahead of the rest of the pack.

I disagree. They may be different, but not neccessarily ahead, regarding who they make offers to.
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Hey

I'm at WBS, just completed my first year. Don't know what course you will be doing, but generally if you know that what you will be studying is right for you then WBS, along with LSE is top. The department is very well organised, the lecturers know their stuff and you are surrounded by active, bright and ambitious people from all over the world. Nearly everyone I met had top marks to get in, making me feel like a small fish in a big pond (being used to being among the top students at school). Presentations by employers (Big Four, BB I-banks) were so frequent on campus that I was beginning to feel daunted by week 3 of term 1. So, I guess that says a lot.

(And yes of course I'm biased)
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No it's not. Not in a good deal of subjects.

Land management and architecture? Oxford is nowhere to be seen (don't offer the courses) so there's only Cambridge. Reading, Sheffield and Nottingham aren't too far behind Cambrdge at all.

History, English, music, philosophy? UCL and Durham are right behind (Durham have arguably the "best" english department in the country). Durham's history department is probably more selective than Oxford or Cambridge are.

The sciences and engineering? Imperial and, to a lesser extent, Durham, UCL and Bristol plus the redbricks.

Economics? LSE, UCL and Warwick.

Medicine - university prestige matters little in this area. Nowhere is in front.

The gap is quite narrow in some areas, even non-existent. The fact that employers are looking less and less at uni brand name (yes, even Oxbridge) partly shows this.
Not really. Uni brand is still very important. Whilst LSE students are highly regarded, Oxbridge graduates sometimes do get preferential treatment. For example, somes desks in IBs would rather take on an Oxbridge graduate than one from LSE.

Consulting firms are notorious for preferring Oxbridge graduates to graduates from other top unis.
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