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Only one of 24 Russel Group Universities do not consider KS4 results: Cambridge.

“Russell Group members admit they treat less-rigorous IGCSEs the same as new, harder GCSEs

Top universities are giving privately educated children an unfair advantage by not differentiating between the rigorous GCSEs compulsory in the state system and less demanding exams taken in many fee-paying schools, MPs and educationists have said.

Just days after GCSE results day last Thursday, Freedom of Information (FoI) requests by Labour MP Lucy Powell show that almost all Russell Group universities treat the two types of exam – the regulated GCSEs used in the state system, and IGCSEs, which the government admits do not meet the same high standards – as exact equivalents in admission processes.

Responding to FoIs requests from Powell, only Cambridge University among the 24 Russell Group universities said it did not take exam results at key stage 4 (14-16 years) into account when deciding which students to admit. The other 23 said they did take them into account and made no distinction between the two.”
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Only one of 24 Russel Group Universities do not consider KS4 results: Cambridge.

“Russell Group members admit they treat less-rigorous IGCSEs the same as new, harder GCSEs

Top universities are giving privately educated children an unfair advantage by not differentiating between the rigorous GCSEs compulsory in the state system and less demanding exams taken in many fee-paying schools, MPs and educationists have said.

Just days after GCSE results day last Thursday, Freedom of Information (FoI) requests by Labour MP Lucy Powell show that almost all Russell Group universities treat the two types of exam – the regulated GCSEs used in the state system, and IGCSEs, which the government admits do not meet the same high standards – as exact equivalents in admission processes.

Responding to FoIs requests from Powell, only Cambridge University among the 24 Russell Group universities said it did not take exam results at key stage 4 (14-16 years) into account when deciding which students to admit. The other 23 said they did take them into account and made no distinction between the two.”
Even worse than that, some universities require English and maths at grade C for IGCSE and grade 5 for GCSE so IGCSE students are not only doing the less rigorous exam, they also have lower entry requirements.

It seems that some private schools are moving back to GCSEs so hopefully IGCSE will phase out in the UK as more and more schools realise that they're pointless.
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Read the full article: https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...ity-admissions

Only one of 24 Russel Group Universities do not consider KS4 results: Cambridge.

“Russell Group members admit they treat less-rigorous IGCSEs the same as new, harder GCSEs

Top universities are giving privately educated children an unfair advantage by not differentiating between the rigorous GCSEs compulsory in the state system and less demanding exams taken in many fee-paying schools, MPs and educationists have said.

Just days after GCSE results day last Thursday, Freedom of Information (FoI) requests by Labour MP Lucy Powell show that almost all Russell Group universities treat the two types of exam – the regulated GCSEs used in the state system, and IGCSEs, which the government admits do not meet the same high standards – as exact equivalents in admission processes.

Responding to FoIs requests from Powell, only Cambridge University among the 24 Russell Group universities said it did not take exam results at key stage 4 (14-16 years) into account when deciding which students to admit. The other 23 said they did take them into account and made no distinction between the two.”
Hm

And yet I recall being told that the old, easier GCSEs were deemed to be equivalent to the then-more rigorous IGCSEs

No outrage back then

I think that this is a form of eye-for-an-eye justice. Private school kidz getting their own back
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And yet I recall being told that the old, easier GCSEs were deemed to be equivalent to the then-more rigorous IGCSEs

No outrage back then

I think that this is a form of eye-for-an-eye justice. Private school kidz getting their own back
No doubt said by a private schooler.

You already have better teachers, equipment etc and now you consider easier qualifications “getting your own back”?

Please.
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No doubt said by a private schooler.

You already have better teachers, equipment etc and now you consider easier qualifications “getting your own back”?

Please.
This is a form of divine justice luv

If we're talking about resources, you're always free to get your own back by taxing private schools out of existence
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Only one of 24 Russel Group Universities do not consider KS4 results: Cambridge.

“Russell Group members admit they treat less-rigorous IGCSEs the same as new, harder GCSEs

Top universities are giving privately educated children an unfair advantage by not differentiating between the rigorous GCSEs compulsory in the state system and less demanding exams taken in many fee-paying schools, MPs and educationists have said.

Just days after GCSE results day last Thursday, Freedom of Information (FoI) requests by Labour MP Lucy Powell show that almost all Russell Group universities treat the two types of exam – the regulated GCSEs used in the state system, and IGCSEs, which the government admits do not meet the same high standards – as exact equivalents in admission processes.

Responding to FoIs requests from Powell, only Cambridge University among the 24 Russell Group universities said it did not take exam results at key stage 4 (14-16 years) into account when deciding which students to admit. The other 23 said they did take them into account and made no distinction between the two.”
When will people stop crying about private schools ! People who go to a private school pay for their education and them private schools have decided to do igcse, others who go to government funded state schools do normal GCSE's , stop interfering in private school issues and russell group universities problems as they are not on the level for ordinary state schools
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When will people stop crying about private schools ! People who go to a private school pay for their education and them private schools have decided to do igcse, others who go to government funded state schools do normal GCSE's , stop interfering in private school issues and russell group universities problems as they are not on the level for ordinary state schools
Can you translate your post please? I thought parents paid for Private education and RG hype is over-rated for many degrees. Some RG universities aren't that great.
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Private schools get taxed and have to pay more than the ordinary schools so that these state schools can be funded so idk why these state school people are talking about private school matters
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the key word is "some" there mate
I'm not your 'mate' and RG is irrelevant for a number of degrees including Medicine and Engineering. RG is just a self-selected club - some unis prefer to put resources into good teaching rather than their own personal research.
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Read the full article: https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...ity-admissions

Only one of 24 Russel Group Universities do not consider KS4 results: Cambridge.

“Russell Group members admit they treat less-rigorous IGCSEs the same as new, harder GCSEs

Top universities are giving privately educated children an unfair advantage by not differentiating between the rigorous GCSEs compulsory in the state system and less demanding exams taken in many fee-paying schools, MPs and educationists have said.

Just days after GCSE results day last Thursday, Freedom of Information (FoI) requests by Labour MP Lucy Powell show that almost all Russell Group universities treat the two types of exam – the regulated GCSEs used in the state system, and IGCSEs, which the government admits do not meet the same high standards – as exact equivalents in admission processes.

Responding to FoIs requests from Powell, only Cambridge University among the 24 Russell Group universities said it did not take exam results at key stage 4 (14-16 years) into account when deciding which students to admit. The other 23 said they did take them into account and made no distinction between the two.”
Some IGCSE's are harder than GCSEs. Like further maths.

And I don't really think that it'd be fair to give someone higher entry requirements just because they did IGCSEs. Is it not the same as saying that someone who did an "easier" GCSE should have a higher entry requirement than someon who did a "harder" GCSE.

And anyways, RG's aren't the best for everything. At the end of the day if you don't like the way that they admit their students you could always go to another equally good uni.

Just my thoughts, as someone who does both IGCSEs and GCSEs.
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Some IGCSE's are harder than GCSEs. Like further maths.
There is no further maths GCSE. You may be referring to the AQA qualification which is a level 2 certificate.
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There is no further maths GCSE. You may be referring to the AQA qualification which is a level 2 certificate.
Yes that is what I'm referring to. What exactly is a level 2 certificate?
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Private schools get taxed and have to pay more than the ordinary schools so that these state schools can be funded so idk why these state school people are talking about private school matters
We're not even talking about money here, we're talking about the qualifications sat by different schools.
Private school 'matters' are still the United Kingdom 'matters'. It's not some exclusive club exempt from being talked about.
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Even worse than that, some universities require English and maths at grade C for IGCSE and grade 5 for GCSE so IGCSE students are not only doing the less rigorous exam, they also have lower entry requirements.
Oh no
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Whether IGCSEs or GCSEs are given weight or not is irrelevant isn't it? If you get conditional offers, they include A Level grades you need to get. You can have as many iGSCE top grades as you like, but if you don't do well at A Level it's all irrelevant.
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Read the full article: https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...ity-admissions

Only one of 24 Russel Group Universities do not consider KS4 results: Cambridge.

“Russell Group members admit they treat less-rigorous IGCSEs the same as new, harder GCSEs

Top universities are giving privately educated children an unfair advantage by not differentiating between the rigorous GCSEs compulsory in the state system and less demanding exams taken in many fee-paying schools, MPs and educationists have said.

Just days after GCSE results day last Thursday, Freedom of Information (FoI) requests by Labour MP Lucy Powell show that almost all Russell Group universities treat the two types of exam – the regulated GCSEs used in the state system, and IGCSEs, which the government admits do not meet the same high standards – as exact equivalents in admission processes.

Responding to FoIs requests from Powell, only Cambridge University among the 24 Russell Group universities said it did not take exam results at key stage 4 (14-16 years) into account when deciding which students to admit. The other 23 said they did take them into account and made no distinction between the two.”
Wondered when this would rear its ugly head! Until the recent new 9-1 GCSEs the IGCSEs were undoubtedly harder then the former GCSEs. Fact. That said, it's about time that the government sorted out all this education rubbish once and for all. But hey - look what will happen to next years A level cohort.....results down this year...so next years results are bound to be better! There don't seem to be level playing fields anywhere!
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Even worse than that, some universities require English and maths at grade C for IGCSE and grade 5 for GCSE so IGCSE students are not only doing the less rigorous exam, they also have lower entry requirements.
IGCSEs are also moving to the 9-1 grading system so the maths and english entry requirements would be the same.
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We're not even talking about money here, we're talking about the qualifications sat by different schools.
Private school 'matters' are still the United Kingdom 'matters'. It's not some exclusive club exempt from being talked about.
True but the fact is that its people who dont take the igcse and( btw its the private schools fault not the pupils it has obviously ), who are saying its easier which may be true and probably is but the only people to blame is the conservative government as they believe in private school education
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Even worse than that, some universities require English and maths at grade C for IGCSE and grade 5 for GCSE so IGCSE students are not only doing the less rigorous exam, they also have lower entry requirements.

It seems that some private schools are moving back to GCSEs so hopefully IGCSE will phase out in the UK as more and more schools realise that they're pointless.
Stop chatting nonsense you dumbass. IGCSE now use 9-1 as well and requirement are 5's or more as well. And also, a 5 is pretty much the same as a c.
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Wondered when this would rear its ugly head! Until the recent new 9-1 GCSEs the IGCSEs were undoubtedly harder then the former GCSEs. Fact. That said, it's about time that the government sorted out all this education rubbish once and for all. But hey - look what will happen to next years A level cohort.....results down this year...so next years results are bound to be better! There don't seem to be level playing fields anywhere!
Not exactly true - iGCSE English Language has been easier for some time, [Source: Exam board markers]
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