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For all the rhetoric, this is an absurd statement. Yes, the US isn't exactly the epitome of domestic freedoms and human rights, but to claim that China is better than the US is utterly ridiculous. If you really believe China's treatment of the Uyghurs is 'anti-terrorism education' then you are truly naive.
But theyre not wrong lol. Most of the “evidence” of mistreatment of uyghurs tends to be instances of police brutality in Indonesia etc and most of these “camps” are employment centres. It’s literally US propaganda. Also China isn’t a settler state that’s built on genocide or chattel slavery and the super exploitation of its black population. China’s biggest transgression according to the world is being uhhh socialist.
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Longer than murderers get in this country
You could probably eat a couple of children over here and still get less time..
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But theyre not wrong lol. Most of the “evidence” of mistreatment of uyghurs tends to be instances of police brutality in Indonesia etc and most of these “camps” are employment centres. It’s literally US propaganda. Also China isn’t a settler state that’s built on genocide or chattel slavery and the super exploitation of its black population. China’s biggest transgression according to the world is being uhhh socialist.
Employment centres? The BBC documentary that looked into these 're-education camps' showed a disturbing scene where the people seemed brainwashed by Communist Party dogma, beside the fact that the whole thing was choreographed by the state to look as benign as possible. 'Political education' is not something that should be accepted from a state, and to order the mass detentions of tens of thousands of people isn't something you should be glossing over, and that's excluding the allegations of torture and mistreatment. China is a big brother state, built on Mao Zedong killing tens of millions of people (some estimate the figure to be around 75 million). To excuse this is absurd, and to call China 'socialist' no longer holds true. Its biggest transgressions are oppressing its population, executing thousands of people, preventing free elections and democracy and its disregard for human rights and crushing dissent (lets not forget Tiananmen Square). I'm not going to derail this thread, but to claim China has some moral high ground over the US is insane.
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Unsurprising. Despite being 5% of the global population, America holds 25% of the world's prison population. It's a prison state, and a cynic might suggest that's it's because American prisons are for profit and effectively provide a source of slave labour, meaning they've got financial incentives to lock people up (also that part of the judiciary are elected so feel the need to look tough on crime rather than uphold justice for everyone).
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Just look at his skin colour and that should explain everything. Before i clicked on the thread, i knew the person was black. No “omg” coming from me when it comes to racism towards black people, i’ll promise u that
It’s an accumulation of previous offences
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You could probably eat a couple of children over here and still get less time..
He has previous offences
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Black people in the US are rounded up into prison as though they are chattel slaves for concentration camps.

And yet the US has the nerve to talk about China's anti-terrorism education as though China is committing a genocide of Uyghurs, when in fact Uyghurs enjoy many special minority rights in China.
You like to play the victim card, they are not rounded up like slaves for concentration camps
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As usual the information is out of context, falsely implying the sentence was solely for stealing $50 and independent of his prior offences. Traditional media sensationalism that is very loose on the facts.
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Employment centres? The BBC documentary that looked into these 're-education camps' showed a disturbing scene where the people seemed brainwashed by Communist Party dogma, beside the fact that the whole thing was choreographed by the state to look as benign as possible. 'Political education' is not something that should be accepted from a state, and to order the mass detentions of tens of thousands of people isn't something you should be glossing over, and that's excluding the allegations of torture and mistreatment. China is a big brother state, built on Mao Zedong killing tens of millions of people (some estimate the figure to be around 75 million). To excuse this is absurd, and to call China 'socialist' no longer holds true. Its biggest transgressions are oppressing its population, executing thousands of people, preventing free elections and democracy and its disregard for human rights and crushing dissent (lets not forget Tiananmen Square). I'm not going to derail this thread, but to claim China has some moral high ground over the US is insane.
Every country has a history they are not proud of, every country does things even now that they are not proud of. Each country is equally guilty
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He wasn't jailed for 'robbing a bakery' at knife-point alone, it was his third strike and that meant life when he did it:
Imagine basing your legal system around the rules of baseball.
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But theyre not wrong lol. Most of the “evidence” of mistreatment of uyghurs tends to be instances of police brutality in Indonesia etc and most of these “camps” are employment centres. It’s literally US propaganda. Also China isn’t a settler state that’s built on genocide or chattel slavery and the super exploitation of its black population. China’s biggest transgression according to the world is being uhhh socialist.
Yeah, you clearly know nothing about Chinese history. The majority Han Chinese have spent centuries expanding, conquering and colonising their neighbouring territories and subjugating the native ethnic groups. Genocide, slavery and some of the most brutal civil wars the world has ever seen have been a common feature throughout Chinese history. To this day China is still very much an empire.

And if you want to talk about exploitation of black people, you might want to research all the shenanigans China is currently getting up to in Africa...
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Every country has a history they are not proud of, every country does things even now that they are not proud of. Each country is equally guilty
Nonsense. "Does things even now that they aren't proud of" - authoritarian regimes don't feel guilt, they're proud and defend their actions.

(Original post by C.Goodyear)
As usual the information is out of context, falsely implying the sentence was solely for stealing $50 and independent of his prior offences. Traditional media sensationalism that is very loose on the facts.
With his previous offences being burglary and grand lacerny. The issue is that to give a life sentence is disproportional to the crime, to serve 36 years for burglary is far more than a murderer will serve in the UK. The three strikes policy targets black men who live in deprived areas and sets them with life sentences that derail any efforts of rehabilitation.
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It’s an accumulation of previous offences
36 years though?
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Imagine basing your legal system around the rules of baseball.
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That would be a valid statement if black people weren't 12 times more likely to be incarcerated than white people under the three strikes laws. In 2016, 78.5% of Americans serving life sentences were non-white. The American judiciary is inherently racist, and the ridiculous laws enacted by the Americans almost always disproportionally target minorities.
So this guy was serving a life sentence only because he's black, is that what you mean? It's impossible to have a conversation like this, if you so wholeheartedly believe that it's not for me to try and convince you of the contrary. To my mind, it remains a conspiracy theory that the colour of his skin has anything to do with the price of fish. We are indeed fed the 'story' because of that facile assumption but there's more to it: it's in Alabama, knocking the State is very much on the agenda too.

There's something odd in this game, situations like this one are there for people to approach from their preferred angle. From the News, there's nothing to suggest race is relevant and if we look at the story that way... there's nothing racist about it. No evidence whatsoever, it's a man in Alabama who has been released from a life sentence under penal laws that apply to everyone. If we tend to judge every situation where a non-white person is involved by putting it through the racial lens to begin with... you can see it at every instance and street corner. It is that open-ended. .

What's odd is that in cases like this it's the supposed 'racists' that make race irrelevant until some evidence pops up and the 'anti-racists' that insist on making an issue of it, even without anything to suggest it. At this rate, we'll never see the day when race isn't an issue anymore.
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An Alabama judge has ordered that a man who robbed a bakery of $50.75 be released from his life sentence.

Alvin Kennard, 58, was handed the harsh sentence under strict rules introduced in the 1970s to deter repeat offenders.

The ruling provoked an emotional reaction from friends and family, who have been visiting Kennard throughout his incarceration.

Read more here.
He didn't steal $50. He robbed a store at knife point.

I don't really care if he got $2 or $3,000. The experience is equally traumatic to the victims of the robbery.

It was a Class A felony. He must have committed at fewest one other Class A felony to get this sentence of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole. The way this is represented is that "the court realised it was daft to keep a person in prison for 36 years for robbing at knife point $50" when his release is actually just based on the law relating to repeat offenders being changed in Alabama, so that there is possibility for parole.

He would have got at fewest 20 years without the three-strikes law and potentially a life sentence (or anything in between the two). https://parkmanwhite.com/birmingham-...rimes/robbery/
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Why is the American legal system so retarded? I have also noticed that it blatantly and undeniably favours white people.. Why though? I don't think it is as bad here, not saying it doesn't happen but it would seem you get treated the same in regards to sentencing regardless of race or religion.
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And yet the West is held as the pinnacle of human freedom, as though China is the only one cruel enough to lock prisoners away.
afaik in American they do not sell the organs of prisoners before they are executed ? and they do not make the family pay for the execution.
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And yet the West is held as the pinnacle of human freedom, as though China is the only one cruel enough to lock prisoners away.
Remind me which 'western country' currently operates a concentration camp network with over a million people in it?
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He didn't steal $50. He robbed a store at knife point.

I don't really care if he got $2 or $3,000. The experience is equally traumatic to the victims of the robbery.

It was a Class A felony. He must have committed at fewest one other Class A felony to get this sentence of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole. The way this is represented is that "the court realised it was daft to keep a person in prison for 36 years for robbing at knife point $50" when his release is actually just based on the law relating to repeat offenders being changed in Alabama, so that there is possibility for parole.

He would have got at fewest 20 years without the three-strikes law. https://parkmanwhite.com/birmingham-...rimes/robbery/
Came here to say this after reading about it today. The level of misrepresentation is amazing.

'man serves 36 years for armed robbery' feels different, eh
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