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That's the ignorance, right there at the end! "never let the people make decisions they don't understand!". People knew exactly what they were waiting for. They didn't however specify whether they wanted to leave with a deal or not.

In some ways, I'd rather have a no deal, so we can become dependent on ourselves again rather than on other countries. It will allow us to create new industries and jobs rather than having to sell off our industries to the crooked EU
Of course we can. By why on earth would anyone in their right mind want to destroy all we have now and then rebuild? And the ignorance is in the working classes thinking that by cause a major catastrophe somehow power, influence, money and opportunity will swing their way.

Already we have replaced your so called crooked EU with an even more crooked unelected UK government with no mandate for anything and when that crashes and burns it will be replaced by another finacier backed Oxbridge toff of some kind.

The working class can only better their lives in the modern economy is with education. (Shock horror!) Destroying the status quo thinking that heavy industry will return to save us all is pie in the sky.
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Why is it remoaners can argue that Boris johnson is somehow a "dictator" or is "undemocratic" by suspending parliament, yet they somehow think its democratic to overturn the vote of the British people. This is an issue that really matters to me, I'm thinking of quitting the Labour party, the so called party of the working class, because Labour are showing where their true colours lie. Not with the unions, not with the working classes, but with the London liberal elite.
Labour ceased to be a party for the working classes many years ago, they're more about middle class snobbery and lazy ****ers that do not wish to work these days.
Until both these situations change then they will not regain my vote.
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Labour ceased to be a party for the working classes many years ago, they're more about middle class snobbery and lazy ****ers that do not wish to work these days.
Until both these situations change then they will not regain my vote.
Considering its the middle and upper classes who pay almost the entire tax bill...
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Considering its the middle and upper classes who pay almost the entire tax bill...
Are you suggesting that we working classes don't pull our weight?
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Considering its the middle and upper classes who pay almost the entire tax bill...
I'm sorry is that a suggestion that anyone below the middle classes are somehow worth less, less entitled to a quality of life?

Genuinely what do you mean?
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Are you suggesting that we working classes don't pull our weight?
Merely pointing out a statistical fact. Take from it what you will.
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I'm sorry is that a suggestion that anyone below the middle classes are somehow worth less, less entitled to a quality of life?

Genuinely what do you mean?
Define worth less? I mean as far as the exchequer is concerned well, numbers don’t lie.
I made no comment on quality of life though.
Merely that all this posturing about ‘looking out for the working classes’ would seem to overlook the dual facts a) its the middle classes who tend to get screwed by the government in terms of taxes etc. and b) that, last time I checked, the ‘working classes’ were not the be all end all of the country.
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Define worth less? I mean as far as the exchequer is concerned well, numbers don’t lie.
I made no comment on quality of life though.
Merely that all this posturing about ‘looking out for the working classes’ would seem to overlook the dual facts a) its the middle classes who tend to get screwed by the government in terms of taxes etc. and b) that, last time I checked, the ‘working classes’ were not the be all end all of the country.
Not worthy of being given the same reputation and protections as those above them in social class.

I don't understand why you think anybody is suggesting the working classes are the be all and end all of society. If you think ColinDent was implying this think you need to reread his post.

The idea that paying taxes is getting screwed is not one I subscribe to either. You seem to imply that the middle classes should be better represented because they pay a higher percentage of tax. This is thankfully not how progressive tax systems or any decent example of democracy works.
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Not worthy of being given the same reputation and protections as those above them in social class.

I don't understand why you think anybody is suggesting the working classes are the be all and end all of society. If you think ColinDent was implying this think you need to reread his post.

The idea that paying taxes is getting screwed is not one I subscribe to either. You seem to imply that the middle classes should be better represented because they pay a higher percentage of tax. This is thankfully not how progressive tax systems or any decent example of democracy works.
You are quite right I certainly wasn't suggesting that, I am arguing that the Labour party no longer represents the best interests of working class people such as myself.
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(Original post by kali8603)
Why is it remoaners can argue that Boris johnson is somehow a "dictator" or is "undemocratic" by suspending parliament, yet they somehow think its democratic to overturn the vote of the British people. This is an issue that really matters to me, I'm thinking of quitting the Labour party, the so called party of the working class, because Labour are showing where their true colours lie. Not with the unions, not with the working classes, but with the London liberal elite.
Because they are grade A hypocrites.
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Why is it remoaners can argue that Boris johnson is somehow a "dictator" or is "undemocratic" by suspending parliament, yet they somehow think its democratic to overturn the vote of the British people. This is an issue that really matters to me, I'm thinking of quitting the Labour party, the so called party of the working class, because Labour are showing where their true colours lie. Not with the unions, not with the working classes, but with the London liberal elite.
Wow. If this was anonymous I'd say this was a 100% troll. This is just ridiculous, but I've never really understood Brexiteers. Firstly, Boris Johnson being prime minister in itself is totally undemocratic (as he was voted for by a ridiculously tiny minority of the population it's like something out of a comedy and would be funny if it wasn't horribly real), but that is another debate for another thread. The will of the British people (as ever stupid as it might have been) was to leave the European union (although most of the people who voted leave had no idea what they where doing but again, that's for another thread). What was not agreed was to leave the European union (which in itself is a fundamentally bad idea), without a deal, and Boris Johnson suspending Parliament and thereby attempting to cut off the opposition from stopping a no deal, is just fundamentally the act of a dictator. Do I need to spell it out for you?

How is it not undemocratic to attempt to force the country into a no deal Brexit which a: wasn't voted for, and b: would bring economic ruin and depression to the whole country (and then the Brexiteers ironically would probably be the ones whining about the consequences)? I just don't understand this. Democracy is when everyone gets a voice. But if you silence parliament (and thereby peoples voices) on the most important UK political event of the century (and last 50 years), how exactly is that democratic?

Also I find it amusing that you titled this 'Hypocritical remoaners', and then proceed to whine (and by extension moan) about how you feel like the Labour party have betrayed your values. It seems that 'remoaners' aren't the hypocrites here after all. It's even more amusing to see people calling us remainers 'remoaners', when a: it's a cheap, immature and unsophisticated petty insult which just makes you look ignorant and b: the people calling 'remoaners' will probably be the people who start moaning when the economic impacts of Brexit start hitting us. I suppose it just sucks that my generation will have to live with and clean up this mess which was created by predominantly older Brexiteers.
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(Original post by kali8603)
Why is it remoaners can argue that Boris johnson is somehow a "dictator" or is "undemocratic" by suspending parliament, yet they somehow think its democratic to overturn the vote of the British people. This is an issue that really matters to me, I'm thinking of quitting the Labour party, the so called party of the working class, because Labour are showing where their true colours lie. Not with the unions, not with the working classes, but with the London liberal elite.
They’re not asking to overthrow the referendum result. They’re asking to have another vote without all the lies that the Brexiteers spread about Brexit. E.g. extra money for the NHS and such. Because, you know, people can actually change their minds once the truth is shown. Plus it was barely a majority. Not exactly something to put the country into a state of crisis for. Boris is, quite frankly, a moron. He’s a politician, after all. He wants a No Deal. He doesn’t think about what this could do to Northern Ireland, for example. We don’t want to the Troubles and the unsteady peace we have to be broken. We don’t want a backstop. We didn’t want to leave. Also, calling remainers, remoaners is exceptionally immature and rude. Nobody knows how to deliver Brexit but we know how difficult it is to deliver and the chaos that could ensue from a no deal Brexit. The EU does not need us. We are one country. There are a community of countries. We’ll be out and they’ll still have everyone else in the EU. Do you really want chlorinated chicken instead?
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They’re not asking to overthrow the referendum result. They’re asking to have another vote without all the lies that the Brexiteers spread about Brexit. E.g. extra money for the NHS and such. Because, you know, people can actually change their minds once the truth is shown. Plus it was barely a majority. Not exactly something to put the country into a state of crisis for. Boris is, quite frankly, a moron. He’s a politician, after all. He wants a No Deal. He doesn’t think about what this could do to Northern Ireland, for example. We don’t want to the Troubles and the unsteady peace we have to be broken. We don’t want a backstop. We didn’t want to leave. Also, calling remainers, remoaners is exceptionally immature and rude. Nobody knows how to deliver Brexit but we know how difficult it is to deliver and the chaos that could ensue from a no deal Brexit. The EU does not need us. We are one country. There are a community of countries. We’ll be out and they’ll still have everyone else in the EU. Do you really want chlorinated chicken instead?
This is spot on.

It would be a great comedy if it wasn't so horribly real. We need to get this guy out of office as fast as possible before he ruins the country any further than the mess that people like him have already created has done. The worst ones are the nostalgia Brexiteers who claim that leaving the EU will "bring back British glory" and go on about the "British spirit" and "British sovereignty" (which is ironic after suspending Parliament). It's all really a cover for the fact that they know they're wrong and have no idea what they're doing, and only voted Brexit to strike back against the 'liberal elite' (which is very ironic as they are affected far worse than the 'liberal elite', who for some reason seem to be loathed by these people, even though the liberal elite are the people who employ them and fight to provide them with services which the conservatives would never do).
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You are quite right I certainly wasn't suggesting that, I am arguing that the Labour party no longer represents the best interests of working class people such as myself.
They unfortunately they have lost their way. I'm more of a labour man than you I guess.I'm more of a traditional labour man than most, deeply entwined in socialist values and morals, I'm at times quite literally the Turkey that votes for xmas also. My idol is/was and always will be Tony Benn I often wonder what he would of done in the current situation. Dropping my labour membership is heartbreaking for me, today listening the the shambles labour is becoming I'm even starting to feel betrayed.

I've not left labour, they have left us
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Brexiteers hadn't really controlled the situation considering most of the government were remainers. These remainers have dug their sore-loser heels in for the past 3 years calling for the deal to be reconsidered and continually voting it out; calling for another referendum without listening to the voice of the people and the result of the first; and calling for general elections when it suits them to cause delays. Funny how borris suggests a general election now, but Corbyn shook his head like he hasn't been doing all of the above! Because he know he wouldn't win, and even if he did become PM, then what? He doesn't have a plan, just ****ged off brexit for the last 3 years without anything to back up his options.
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Brexiteers hadn't really controlled the situation considering most of the government were remainers. These remainers have dug their sore-loser heels in for the past 3 years calling for the deal to be reconsidered and continually voting it out; calling for another referendum without listening to the voice of the people and the result of the first; and calling for general elections when it suits them to cause delays. Funny how borris suggests a general election now, but Corbyn shook his head like he hasn't been doing all of the above! Because he know he wouldn't win, and even if he did become PM, then what? He doesn't have a plan, just ****ged off brexit for the last 3 years without anything to back up his options.
He doesn't want to dip his hands in the blood mate
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What's so good about the unions?
They ward off vampires?
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He doesn't want to dip his hands in the blood mate
The ERG have been in complete control these 3 yrs past. Look at my promises... in the eyes! explains the mess we're in!
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bremainers: *says literally anything*

brexiteers: sTOp MOanInG
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The ERG have been in complete control these 3 yrs past. Look at my promises... in the eyes! explains the mess we're in!
Rubbish Vinny. A Canada deal would of been done and dusted if that were the case.

Parliamentarians mainly remain are stopping democracy and stopping Brexit. Labour are (I'm very sad to say) completely unelectable, dispite wanting the same as mrs may they have frustrated Brexit at every turn. This whole mess is remainer parliamentarians fault almost solely
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