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I made a manifesto for a party I think would be good. Its aimed at disgruntled Labour party members who are fed up of Labour betraying the working class, as well as socialists and other leftists, as well as Brexit voters and maybe the odd right winger who maybe agrees with our other policies.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing
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I made a manifesto for a party I think would be good. Its aimed at disgruntled Labour party members who are fed up of Labour betraying the working class, as well as socialists and other leftists, as well as Brexit voters and maybe the odd right winger who maybe agrees with our other policies.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing
It's only the miracle of consumer capitalism that means you're not lying in your own ****, dying at 43 with rotten teeth.
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It's only the miracle of consumer capitalism that means you're not lying in your own ****, dying at 43 with rotten teeth.
You’re much more likely to end up like that in capitalist India rather than communist China
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Unsurprisingly I really like this manifesto and agree with 90% of it. If it was standing by me I’d vote for it as it’s definitely a number of steps in the right direction.

I don’t agree with legalising marijuana and despite being communist I think grammar schools are proven to do better for the working class.

What is the party's stance on immigration and free speech particularly on online platforms?
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Unsurprisingly I really like this manifesto and agree with 90% of it. If it was standing by me I’d vote for it as it’s definitely a number of steps in the right direction.

I don’t agree with legalising marijuana and despite being communist I think grammar schools are proven to do better for the working class.

What is the party's stance on immigration and free speech particularly on online platforms?
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You’re much more likely to end up like that in capitalist India rather than communist China
Ah yes China, the communist country with the world's largest consumer capitalist market. You have to be delusional to think China is a communist country.
I take it the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democracy as well? Why would they lie!!
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Ah yes China, the communist country with the world's largest consumer capitalist market. You have to be delusional to think China is a communist country.
I take it the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democracy as well? Why would they lie!!
Hurr durr real communism has never been tried. (You could say the same about capitalism too!)

Fine. State capitalism run by a communist ideology. This is clearly different to a liberal capitalist model such as in India or the west and I would say superior.
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Still waiting for the National Socialist British Workers Party(NSBP). We must create volksgemeinschaft!!!
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Still waiting for the National Socialist British Workers Party(NSBP). We must create volksgemeinschaft!!!
I do think that comparing this party to national socialism is actually valid although I should note that imperialist U.K., Stalinist Russia and Segregationist US (who destroyed the third reich) are also just as contentious to modern liberal sensibilities

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As demonstrated above Most liberals (including people who think they’re socialists) such as the bulk of Labour Party members would describe this party as fascistic:. And they’re actually right. Tankies today are far more analogous to the Alt-Right than say the Liberal Democrat’s or even Momentum.
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I do think that comparing this party to national socialism is actually valid although I should note that imperialist U.K., Stalinist Russia and Segregationist US (who destroyed the third reich) are also just as contentious to modern liberal sensibilities
I never compared kali8603 party to national socialism. I said I'm still waiting for someone to suggest it. We must have some Nazis lurking around on tsr.
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'We have no political ideology...'

socialists, socialism, socialist... Socialist Federation of GB

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Here's my manifesto:

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Hmm... march around and sort out all their problems using your central reserves. Hang on... they called that colonialism and demanded independence. oh well...
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"As mentioned, the SFGB is committed to a hybrid socialist system that incorporates economic centralisation along with the free market."

- That just sounds like the Chinese 'communist' model, about as socialist as investment banking.

"The government will ban gender changing treatments or hormone stopping treatments on the NHS for anyone under the age of 30."

- What?

"We would create a new type of prison. Prisoners would be housed in the open air or in cabins on areas of land, doing tasks such as farming and working in factories."

- This isn't new, these are called labour camps and their track record isn't so great.

"Their tenants will be given full right to complain, and if the landlord does not provide an adequate response to these claims, the property may be seized by the local authorities."

- A tad extreme to seize property that the landlord rightfully owns.

"Abortions will continue to be governed by the same laws, but parents will only be entitled to 1 abortion, unless in exceptional circumstances."

- Restricting abortion doesn't play out well, regardless of how you go about it.

"In terms of religion, the SFGB will pursue a secular Christian nation."

- Marx said religion was the opiate of the people, a generator of inequality and the inhibitor of social change. Seems odd for a socialist party to want to uphold religious traditions at a state level.

"We would also support President Assad."

- Christ on a bike.
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Somebody has wayyyyyyyyyyy too much free time.
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"As mentioned, the SFGB is committed to a hybrid socialist system that incorporates economic centralisation along with the free market."

- That just sounds like the Chinese 'communist' model, about as socialist as investment banking.

"The government will ban gender changing treatments or hormone stopping treatments on the NHS for anyone under the age of 30."

- What?

"We would create a new type of prison. Prisoners would be housed in the open air or in cabins on areas of land, doing tasks such as farming and working in factories."

- This isn't new, these are called labour camps and their track record isn't so great.

"Their tenants will be given full right to complain, and if the landlord does not provide an adequate response to these claims, the property may be seized by the local authorities."

- A tad extreme to seize property that the landlord rightfully owns.

"Abortions will continue to be governed by the same laws, but parents will only be entitled to 1 abortion, unless in exceptional circumstances."

- Restricting abortion doesn't play out well, regardless of how you go about it.

"In terms of religion, the SFGB will pursue a secular Christian nation."

- Marx said religion was the opiate of the people, a generator of inequality and the inhibitor of social change. Seems odd for a socialist party to want to uphold religious traditions at a state level.

"We would also support President Assad."

- Christ on a bike.
Serious props for actually wading your way through that...
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Unsurprisingly I really like this manifesto and agree with 90% of it. If it was standing by me I’d vote for it as it’s definitely a number of steps in the right direction.

I don’t agree with legalising marijuana and despite being communist I think grammar schools are proven to do better for the working class.

What is the party's stance on immigration and free speech particularly on online platforms?
In terms of immigration, basically no free movement but we would be accepting new immigrants to help boost the work force. However it will be easier to deport those who ie become involved in crime
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"As mentioned, the SFGB is committed to a hybrid socialist system that incorporates economic centralisation along with the free market."

- That just sounds like the Chinese 'communist' model, about as socialist as investment banking.

"The government will ban gender changing treatments or hormone stopping treatments on the NHS for anyone under the age of 30."

- What?

"We would create a new type of prison. Prisoners would be housed in the open air or in cabins on areas of land, doing tasks such as farming and working in factories."

- This isn't new, these are called labour camps and their track record isn't so great.

"Their tenants will be given full right to complain, and if the landlord does not provide an adequate response to these claims, the property may be seized by the local authorities."

- A tad extreme to seize property that the landlord rightfully owns.

"Abortions will continue to be governed by the same laws, but parents will only be entitled to 1 abortion, unless in exceptional circumstances."

- Restricting abortion doesn't play out well, regardless of how you go about it.

"In terms of religion, the SFGB will pursue a secular Christian nation."

- Marx said religion was the opiate of the people, a generator of inequality and the inhibitor of social change. Seems odd for a socialist party to want to uphold religious traditions at a state level.

"We would also support President Assad."

- Christ on a bike.
As I said, the party is Marxist inspired rather than based, and by secular christian, I mean seperation between church and state etc. There is no actual consensus in the UK right now for abolishing religion outright.

And yes the abortion thing - well, tbh it doesn't matter a huge amount to me regardless of how it goes, its just to encourage women to use contraceptive methods more (but of course not all cases are because of this)
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Unsurprisingly I really like this manifesto and agree with 90% of it. If it was standing by me I’d vote for it as it’s definitely a number of steps in the right direction.

I don’t agree with legalising marijuana and despite being communist I think grammar schools are proven to do better for the working class.

What is the party's stance on immigration and free speech particularly on online platforms?
Maybe keep grammar schools but I'd rather see teh same effort go into all schools. And I'm not a huge fan of marijuana, it would just be popular amongst younger voters, and would provide an important source of income for the country if it could be taxed. Would also end a lot of the culture around it and free up police time
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I do think that comparing this party to national socialism is actually valid although I should note that imperialist U.K., Stalinist Russia and Segregationist US (who destroyed the third reich) are also just as contentious to modern liberal sensibilities

kali8603

As demonstrated above Most liberals (including people who think they’re socialists) such as the bulk of Labour Party members would describe this party as fascistic:. And they’re actually right. Tankies today are far more analogous to the Alt-Right than say the Liberal Democrat’s or even Momentum.
Liberals and many labour party members describe anything slightly to the right socially or in some cases anything they disagree with as "fascist". Yes tankies aren't libreals or momentum members but they're certainly not alt right. I can see some similarities between the alt right and the far left, in fact many nazis were verhmently anti capitalist, but those nazis didn't last long. I'm definitely not a Nazi. I hate Nazis.
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Unsurprisingly I really like this manifesto and agree with 90% of it. If it was standing by me I’d vote for it as it’s definitely a number of steps in the right direction.

I don’t agree with legalising marijuana and despite being communist I think grammar schools are proven to do better for the working class.

What is the party's stance on immigration and free speech particularly on online platforms?
I'm very pro free speech online, although how a government would regulate this policy would be unknown. But definitely social media platforms would face fines for banning people or organisations due to their political views unless they are classed as a terrorist group etc
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