Bojo would rather be "dead in a ditch" than delay Brexit Watch

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Imagine using the world Remainiacs - childish behaviour.
Were those the same tears you cried when no deal was taken off the table? Or when the conservative party crumbled?
Not really, I use the word Remainiacs only to describe those hard core remainers who act in mania, it is a description not an insult.

BTW I'm a socialist and former member of the labour party, I care little about the conservative party. Try again kiddo
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I watched that speech, notice how he has the police behind his back whilst he was giving his speech on Brexit as if they are his political force. Spot the difference

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There is of course a chance that this ditch is never released. If Boris were to add a second line to an election bill promising to bring back a withdrawal agreement (that would be his improved one or May’s) on the 21st then you may find some of the (repentant) Tory Remoaners and Labour (now 27) May choose not to back the delay to the election.
There are three problems with an election bill:-

1 A majority of MPs get to choose the election date.

2 A majority of MPs could choose to give the vote to EU citizens other than Irish, Maltese and Cypriots who already have it.

3 A majority of MPs could choose to give the vote to 17 year olds for which the records already exist or 16 & 17 year olds (but no records of 16 year olds exist in England Wales and NI)
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(Original post by nulli tertius)
There are three problems with an election bill:-

1 A majority of MPs get to choose the election date.

2 A majority of MPs could choose to give the vote to EU citizens other than Irish, Maltese and Cypriots who already have it.

3 A majority of MPs could choose to give the vote to 17 year olds for which the records already exist or 16 & 17 year olds (but no records of 16 year olds exist in England Wales and NI)
There are but the theory goes that if Boris inserted the second line, it would be sufficient to maintain a majority against further amendments.
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Really, Boris and Hitler, the latter has far more in common with Ursula von der Leyen.
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People still not respecting the referendum I see, TSR in a nutshell.
Why should we?
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And advocating violence on those who disagree with them. So liberal.
Who is advocating violence? Or is this another lie of yours in line with you extremists right wing position regarding anyone who disagrees with you?
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Why should we?

Who is advocating violence? Or is this another lie of yours in line with you extremists right wing position regarding anyone who disagrees with you?
You don't think arranging an assassination is advocating violence?

Can you please explain how my political views are right wing? It was nothing to do with the topic or Brexit but I'm sure there is a reason, it's not like you're going down a road to incorrect ad hominem attack, i mean you never do that ....oh wait.
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(Original post by Burton Bridge)
You don't think arranging an assassination is advocating violence?
Seeing as no one here is "arranging an assassination" no, no i dont.
Can you please explain how my political views are right wing? It was nothing to do with the topic or Brexit but I'm sure there is a reason, it's not like you're going down a road to ad hominem attack
We can go through near enough ever single one of your posts?
I note you've corrected the spelling there. But no, once again, there was and is no personal attack there. Merely an observation.
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Seeing as no one here is "arranging an assassination" no, no i dont.

We can go through near enough ever single one of your posts?
I note you've corrected the spelling there. But no, once again, there was and is no personal attack there. Merely an observation.
You just come off ignore, so far agreed with you once and disagreed once. Try to raise the level of the debate this time and hold a adult conversation.

Firstly, I have not edited any spelling so unsure what you are talking about. Even if I had spelling is irrelevant anyway, using that to divert away from facts of an argument and is exactly what I'm talking.

Secondly, just read this thread violence has been mentioned from point 2 onwards and heavily repped every time to reinforce further.

Thirdly, please explain why I'm right wing then you should have no issues doing so, if every opinion I have expressed is right wing.
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(Original post by Burton Bridge)
You just come off ignore, so far agreed with you once and disagreed once. Try to raise the level of the debate this time and hold a adult conversation.

Firstly, I have not edited any spelling so unsure what you are talking about. Even if I had spelling is irrelevant anyway, using that to divert away from facts of an argument and is exactly what I'm talking.

Secondly, just read this thread violence has been mentioned from point 2 onwards and heavily repped every time to reinforce further.

Thirdly, please explain why I'm right wing then you should have no issues doing so, if every opinion I have expressed is right wing.
First line of your reply is some queer attempt an insult, very good. Feel free to put me back on ignore.
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First line of your reply is some queer attempt an insult, very good. Feel free to put me back on ignore.
It isn't, I take it you cannot explain yourself or address the facts in point 1 2 or 3. Oh well I'm not surprised
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I was talking about the unelected House of Lords, which we are outside a significant sum of money which we cannot afford today to decide the grant or block what the elected house has decided, as a majority against it elected manifesto promises also.
So you are happy with appointed officials calling the shots on government strategy, but completely against appointed peers who passed a bill from the elected commons? Would have been more pleased had they blocked the bill?

I was referring to our unelected PM who has neither majority or mandate for what he is attempting to do. I have accepted we are leaving the EU but I do not believe anyone voted for economic chaos. I don't understand why an orderly exit over a number of years is such a bad thing.
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(Original post by Burton Bridge)
You don't think arranging an assassination is advocating violence?

Can you please explain how my political views are right wing? It was nothing to do with the topic or Brexit but I'm sure there is a reason, it's not like you're going down a road to incorrect ad hominem attack, i mean you never do that ....oh wait.
Who will you vote for at the General Election?
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So you are happy with appointed officials calling the shots on government strategy, but completely against appointed peers who passed a bill from the elected commons? Would have been more pleased had they blocked the bill?

I was referring to our unelected PM who has neither majority or mandate for what he is attempting to do. I have accepted we are leaving the EU but I do not believe anyone voted for economic chaos. I don't understand why an orderly exit over a number of years is such a bad thing.
Oh dear for an educated school teacher, You do a fantastic job of missing the point and/or of being incorrect.

What I am happy with and what is happening, in particular when I point out the selective out rage that You appear to be displaying, Is not necessarily what I believe to be correct or even linked to what my personal beliefs of right or wrong are.

I notice you have had two reps for your post, However one inciting murder got 5 reps. Its reasonable to draw the conclusion that receiving reps in the student rooms is the sign of an foolish/incorrect statement. No wonder the British education system is failing so badly.

The house's of lords are unelected, the monarchy is unelected. Our PM is elected Boris Johnson was elected in his constituency,also he won an election amongst the conservative party MP's and amongst his conservative party members, who are also members of the British public. You are wrong we live in a parliamentary democracy, we don't elect a PM directly.

No I don't believe the house of lords should exist, I would not be happy if they overturned anything the elected house did.
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Who will you vote for at the General Election?
That's the million dollar question isn't it?

I honestly dont know, I want to vote labour. I belive in high taxation, nationalisation and a care in the community for others. I can't vote for the liberal democrats because they are the yellow Tories and always have been, Brexit party are in my eyes a dangerous vote in a general election.

I guess the only way I can truly answer the question is if this is a single issue national election, then I might for the 1st time in my life have too hold my nose and vote Tory in the national interest. If Brexit has been delivered by this point of a GE then the Tories have got around about 0% chance of ever gaining my vote
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That's the million dollar question isn't it?

I honestly dont know, I want to vote labour. I belive in high taxation, nationalisation and a care in the community for others. I can't vote for the liberal democrats because they are the yellow Tories and always have been, Brexit party are in my eyes a dangerous vote in a general election.

I guess the only way I can truly answer the question is if this is a single issue national election, then I might for the 1st time in my life have too hold my nose and vote Tory in the national interest. If Brexit has been delivered by this point of a GE then the Tories have got around about 0% chance of ever gaining my vote
Appreciate the honesty.

To you, is Brexit worth it if it means ushering in a very right wing Tory govt?

That's not meant to be a cynical question.
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That's the million dollar question isn't it?

I honestly dont know, I want to vote labour. I belive in high taxation, nationalisation and a care in the community for others. I can't vote for the liberal democrats because they are the yellow Tories and always have been, Brexit party are in my eyes a dangerous vote in a general election.

I guess the only way I can truly answer the question is if this is a single issue national election, then I might for the 1st time in my life have too hold my nose and vote Tory in the national interest. If Brexit has been delivered by this point of a GE then the Tories have got around about 0% chance of ever gaining my vote
Do you regard the Brexit Party as dangerous because of their politics or because voting for them might produce a capricious result e.g. vote Brexit; get Lib Dem?
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Gerry Adams intensifies

Ultimately he'll have to either ask for an extension, resign his ministry or refuse to do either and be jailed for contempt. Whether he wants to or not, those are his options.
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(Original post by DSilva)
Appreciate the honesty.

To you, is Brexit worth it if it means ushering in a very right wing Tory govt?

That's not meant to be a cynical question.
I don't take it as cynical question, however it is a very difficult question for me to answer. It's one I've been asking myself, thus I've been thinking about it alot over and over for the last year.

I know that's not an answer, but it's the best you are going to get at the moment.
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Do you regard the Brexit Party as dangerous because of their politics or because voting for them might produce a capricious result e.g. vote Brexit; get Lib Dem?
This question is much simpler to answer. The answer is multiple answers and reason, I'll explain.

Firstly, the type of election and the power you give the chosen candidate. The Brexit Party was easy to vote for in European elections because A) MEPs hold little meaningful power and B) I was only voting because I knew the hard core remainers would use it as a remain vs leave justification, if remain parties won they would use this as a death knife for Brexit, devaluing my referendum vote. C) I don't normally vote in euro elections because I don't think we should be there in the first place.

Secondly, the Brexit Party are a new party which Farage is in compleat and total control, with little clarity on what they stand for. Farage is a self confessed thacherite. In my opinion the biggest disaster for the majority of the ordinary person in the street in living memory, so that's scary to me.

Third, remain parliamentary are acting machiavellian, as I keep repeating. These parties are playing anti democratic back room deals so yea, vote Brexit get the yellow tories, the antiliberal undemocratic party gets another seat on the back of my vote, that's more scary than a return of tacherism to me.
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(Original post by Burton Bridge)
I was talking about the unelected House of Lords, which we are outside a significant sum of money which we cannot afford today to decide the grant or block what the elected house has decided, as a majority against it elected manifesto promises also.
No worse than the extortionate amount of money paid to the cockroaches in the Commons.
And what do you mean 'cant afford'? Have you not heard that Boris has located the magic money tree and has decided to spunk it all over the place?
Remainiacs cry the blues every opportunity they get, apparently parliamentary democracy was being aborted, now the same group are waving their panties in the air like a teenage girl at her pop idol!
I really dont get you, you get fired up if anyone else is rude yet almost every single one of your posts tends to contain a laundry list of insults either directed at an individual or a group?
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