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I have found that the same subjects studied at different institutions generally can vary drastically in terms of difficulty and intensity. I have one friend that studies accounting at finance at LSE and another doing the same course at a uni outside the top 50. My friend at LSE is struggling to get a 2:1 in her degree, she works extremely hard and has a lot of contact hours. My friend at the other uni, however, turns up to lectures for only 6 hours a week, parties most the day away and is on track for a first!!! I feel this is completely laughable and there should maybe be a national body that assesses the difficulty of each degree programme and awards degree classifications accordingly, instead of not-so-great unis giving firsts to anyone with a pulse. Anyone else agree?
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I have found that the same subjects studied at different institutions generally can vary drastically in terms of difficulty and intensity. I have one friend that studies accounting at finance at LSE and another doing the same course at a uni outside the top 50. My friend at LSE is struggling to get a 2:1 in her degree, she works extremely hard and has a lot of contact hours. My friend at the other uni, however, turns up to lectures for only 6 hours a week, parties most the day away and is on track for a first!!! I feel this is completely laughable and there should maybe be a national body that assesses the difficulty of each degree programme and awards degree classifications accordingly, instead of not-so-great unis giving firsts to anyone with a pulse. Anyone else agree?
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This is precisely why the reputation of the uni matters.
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I have found that the same subjects studied at different institutions generally can vary drastically in terms of difficulty and intensity. I have one friend that studies accounting at finance at LSE and another doing the same course at a uni outside the top 50. My friend at LSE is struggling to get a 2:1 in her degree, she works extremely hard and has a lot of contact hours. My friend at the other uni, however, turns up to lectures for only 6 hours a week, parties most the day away and is on track for a first!!! I feel this is completely laughable and there should maybe be a national body that assesses the difficulty of each degree programme and awards degree classifications accordingly, instead of not-so-great unis giving firsts to anyone with a pulse. Anyone else agree?
Unless you nationalise University examinations (this is not on the table for so many reasons) this is always going to happen, yes some unis are soft, some are hard. This is why employers look at Uni.

I do think since the introduction of ex-poly unis the gap is widening. Some Unis standards are a joke, everyone knows it, no one says anything.
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(Original post by Stefanidi)
I have found that the same subjects studied at different institutions generally can vary drastically in terms of difficulty and intensity. I have one friend that studies accounting at finance at LSE and another doing the same course at a uni outside the top 50. My friend at LSE is struggling to get a 2:1 in her degree, she works extremely hard and has a lot of contact hours. My friend at the other uni, however, turns up to lectures for only 6 hours a week, parties most the day away and is on track for a first!!! I feel this is completely laughable and there should maybe be a national body that assesses the difficulty of each degree programme and awards degree classifications accordingly, instead of not-so-great unis giving firsts to anyone with a pulse. Anyone else agree?
But you fail to see the opposite side which is that a 2:1 degree from LSE will be valued much higher by many employees so they have a massive advantage in the job market. You cant have it both ways. Think your final statement says it all. perhaps if its so unfair then your friend with a pulse should have gone elsewhere.
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Unless you nationalise University examinations (this is not on the table for so many reasons) this is always going to happen, yes some unis are soft, some are hard. This is why employers look at Uni.

I do think since the introduction of ex-poly unis the gap is widening. Some Unis standards are a joke, everyone knows it, no one says anything.
Well I just hope that employers still value the reputation of universities as I’m worried about working nonstop for three years to get a 2:1 from LSE and then for someone from Bath Spa to waltz in with a first and take the grad job...
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It's your choice what uni you go to. Can't have your prestige cake and eat it without hard work
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Well I just hope that employers still value the reputation of universities as I’m worried about working nonstop for three years to get a 2:1 from LSE and then for someone from Bath Spa to waltz in with a first and take the grad job...
You will most likely not be competing for the same jobs, a lot of grads schemes are open to anyone with a 2.1 but the people who want the most competitive jobs, go to top unis (obviously you can find exceptions to the rule, but people who work at Goldman Sachs, Google, IBM etc overwhelmingly come from top-tier unis)
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It's your choice what uni you go to. Can't have your prestige cake and eat it without hard work
I’m happy to work hard. You’ve completely missed the point. My friend currently at lse works twice as hard as someone from a lower ranked uni yet she’s scraping a 2:1 and the guy at the lower ranked place is on track for a first. Hardly a level playing field...
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Nah, some people peak at A level and never top it. They aren't spoon fed anymore, university requires self study.

You have to work to get a first regardless.
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I’m happy to work hard. You’ve completely missed the point. My friend currently at lse works twice as hard as someone from a lower ranked uni yet she’s scraping a 2:1 and the guy at the lower ranked place is on track for a first. Hardly a level playing field...
It makes sense. There’s a trade off. Go to a lower ranked uni but miss out on higher opportunities and having work harder to get employed or go to a higher ranked uni, get better opportunities but have to work harder to walk out with good grades
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A 2:1 at LSE will probably be worth more than your other friends degree whatever classification she gets.
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Agreed but from a different perspective, my school was awful so didn't really have any confidence, got 4A*, went somewhere the average was AAB and found it stupidly easy to get a first. First from my uni clearly isn't as impressive as my a levels, yet lots of places don't ask for a levels or uni percentages so just judged on my degree.


System is a joke but it's never gonna change.
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The autonomy of universities is crucial. If I teach an Indian phil course at my institution, based on my research, then how can a national body ran by non-specialists standardise that exam?
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A 2:1 at LSE will probably be worth more than your other friends degree whatever classification she gets.
I think in most cases yes, but I'm looking at grad entry medicine now and most universities don't even consider where you went to. E.g. at Cambridge someone with a first from the crappiest in country is on paper stronger than someone with a 2:1 from Oxford.
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(Original post by Stefanidi)
I have found that the same subjects studied at different institutions generally can vary drastically in terms of difficulty and intensity. I have one friend that studies accounting at finance at LSE and another doing the same course at a uni outside the top 50. My friend at LSE is struggling to get a 2:1 in her degree, she works extremely hard and has a lot of contact hours. My friend at the other uni, however, turns up to lectures for only 6 hours a week, parties most the day away and is on track for a first!!! I feel this is completely laughable and there should maybe be a national body that assesses the difficulty of each degree programme and awards degree classifications accordingly, instead of not-so-great unis giving firsts to anyone with a pulse. Anyone else agree?
That's the bloody point. Elite universities are far more difficult and your degree will be far more respected.

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I’m happy to work hard. You’ve completely missed the point. My friend currently at lse works twice as hard as someone from a lower ranked uni yet she’s scraping a 2:1 and the guy at the lower ranked place is on track for a first. Hardly a level playing field...
Well that's just not going to happen is it? No one thinks "well this guy went to a world renowned university but the other guy got a first in some ****hole so we'll have to goo with him".
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I think in most cases yes, but I'm looking at grad entry medicine now and most universities don't even consider where you went to. E.g. at Cambridge someone with a first from the crappiest in country is on paper stronger than someone with a 2:1 from Oxford.
Unfortunately thats bull. A first from a garbage uni is not even close to a 2:1 from Oxford. Trust me that would prioritise the oxford candidate massively.
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Agreed but from a different perspective, my school was awful so didn't really have any confidence, got 4A*, went somewhere the average was AAB and found it stupidly easy to get a first. First from my uni clearly isn't as impressive as my a levels, yet lots of places don't ask for a levels or uni percentages so just judged on my degree.


System is a joke but it's never gonna change.
Well then why did you go to a bad uni where you could go to a top 5? You're being judged on the institution you went because not all institutions are equal, it's your fault you went too a bad institution.
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Unfortunately thats bull. A first from a garbage uni is not even close to a 2:1 from Oxford. Trust me that would prioritise the oxford candidate massively.
Lol this is from them themselves, they give you points on your classification and that's it.

Important to note though, there's a big emphasis on a levels and obviously your a levels largely give away which uni you went to e.g. 3A*+ very likely Oxbridge or top London, 3A very likely generic Russell group and so on. I guess that works in basically the same way as them considering the uni.
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