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nice, label anyone who doesn't pander to your ridiculous views as a chinese stooge

as far as I'm concerned, OP is completely right - the amount of disrespect the HKrs are exhibiting is disgusting - like waving american flags and asking the UK to take them back- like ****ing seriously? way to completely **** on your ancestors who got ****ed over by them colonials

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Just wait until they send the army in, they’ve already got the army posted along the whole border
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Many do now, especially when it's now crystal clear that there's never hope for freedom or democracy under China.

Initially, the hope was just for the communist party to leave Hong Kong alone.
They were supposed to have 50 years of democracy but the Communist party decided from day one to make sure it'd be less than 50 years . But that's China for you
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Just wait until they send the army in, they’ve already got the army posted along the whole border
Oh, Hong Kong has been waiting. Why don't you ask them to go in now? They claimed that it would only take 10 minutes, but it's been months.

Could it be because 70% of foreign investments from China come from Hong Kong? Could it be because Hong Kong is China's gateway under the Trade War and in general? Could it be because of the hundreds of millions Chinese official-owned money that's in Hong Kong at any given moment? Or the billions of loans set in Hong Kong dollar for Chinese companies such as Huawei?

Hong Kong people are not afraid of the Chinese military. If they were, the protests would've stopped weeks ago. If China does send in the military, that will be the killing of their golden goose that lays eggs, that will be the abrupt stopping of foreign money going into China, that will be taking away a big shield they have to fight the Trade War, and guess what? That will also harm Xi Jinping's personal investments in Hong Kong.

So you can take several seats.
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Disrespecting the anthem is rightfully illegal in China - since 2017 in SAR Hong Kong.
No. Insulting the anthem or disrespecting it is not illegal in Hong Kong. Not in 2017, not in 2019.

Are you admitting the fact that Hong Kong is not China?
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Oh, Hong Kong has been waiting. Why don't you ask them to go in now? They claimed that it would only take 10 minutes, but it's been months.

Could it be because 70% of foreign investments from China come from Hong Kong? Could it be because Hong Kong is China's gateway under the Trade War and in general? Could it be because of the hundreds of millions Chinese official-owned money that's in Hong Kong at any given moment? Or the billions of loans set in Hong Kong dollar for Chinese companies such as Huawei?

Hong Kong people are not afraid of the Chinese military. If they were, the protests would've stopped weeks ago. If China does send in the military, that will be the killing of their golden goose that lays eggs, that will be the abrupt stopping of foreign money going into China, that will be taking away a big shield they have to fight the Trade War, and guess what? That will also harm Xi Jinping's personal investments in Hong Kong.

So you can take several seats.
The protesters aren’t afraid because nothing has happened, if the army are sent in they will disperse vey quickly
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The protesters aren’t afraid because nothing has happened, if the army are sent in they will disperse vey quickly
Do it then.

"If we burn, you burn with us"
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They were supposed to have 50 years of democracy but the Communist party decided from day one to make sure it'd be less than 50 years . But that's China for you
To be precise, it was 50 years of unchanging systems. In the past few years, people have been fighting for basic freedom rather than asking for democracy.

Democracy was eroded on the very first day, when China abolished the democratically elected Legislative Council on 1 July 1997, and install an entirely Chinese-appointed one in its stead once the clock strikes 12.

Then in 1999, when the pro-Beijing legislators dominated council voted to abolish the elected councils that manage domestic affairs.

Then the largely undemocratic functional constituencies expanded.

Then in 2014, universal suffrage was denied in favour of China completely filtering candidates for people to then vote for.

Then elected representatives in the already rigged legislature are ejected for allegedly not "solemnly" swearing to support China.

Then candidates are disqualified from even joining the election, for allegedly not "solemnly" supporting China.

Then the police used tear gas for the very first time against entirely peaceful student protesters.

Then people are arrested and jailed for engaging in peaceful, but not government-approved protests.

Then a party is banned.

Then the less popular candidate even among the Beijing-approved candidates was appointed chief executive.

Then the government refused to withdraw a bill opposed by almost all sectors of Hong Kong, even after a million people, then 2 million people marched peacefully.

The the police used guns to shoot peaceful protesters in the head.

And the government refused to even set up an independent commission to investigate into police brutality, even as medics are routinely targeted by the police, including their tear gasing an ambulance, and shooting a first-aided in the eye (she lost the eye now). Even as the police arrested primary schoolchildren for "rioting". Even as the police target secondary schoolchildren for holding their hands outside their school, and defended their breaking one's skull as an attempt to "protect" him.
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Disrespecting the anthem is rightfully illegal in China - since 2017 in SAR Hong Kong. But Hong Kong rioters abuse the freedoms China graciously provide them by disrespecting the anthem.
Do you understand what free speech is? Didn't think so.
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To be precise, it was 50 years of unchanging systems. In the past few years, people have been fighting for basic freedom rather than asking for democracy.

Democracy was eroded on the very first day, when China abolished the democratically elected Legislative Council on 1 July 1997, and install an entirely Chinese-appointed one in its stead once the clock strikes 12.

Then in 1999, when the pro-Beijing legislators dominated council voted to abolish the elected councils that manage domestic affairs.

Then the largely undemocratic functional constituencies expanded.

Then in 2014, universal suffrage was denied in favour of China completely filtering candidates for people to then vote for.

Then elected representatives in the already rigged legislature are ejected for allegedly not "solemnly" swearing to support China.

Then candidates are disqualified from even joining the election, for allegedly not "solemnly" supporting China.

Then the police used tear gas for the very first time against entirely peaceful student protesters.

Then people are arrested and jailed for engaging in peaceful, but not government-approved protests.

Then a party is banned.

Then the less popular candidate even among the Beijing-approved candidates was appointed chief executive.

Then the government refused to withdraw a bill opposed by almost all sectors of Hong Kong, even after a million people, then 2 million people marched peacefully.

The the police used guns to shoot peaceful protesters in the head.

And the government refused to even set up an independent commission to investigate into police brutality, even as medics are routinely targeted by the police, including their tear gasing an ambulance, and shooting a first-aided in the eye (she lost the eye now). Even as the police arrested primary schoolchildren for "rioting". Even as the police target secondary schoolchildren for holding their hands outside their school, and defended their breaking one's skull as an attempt to "protect" him.
In a nutshell we should've tried to force through a much longer extension on our lease or refused to turn HK over but now what do we do to stop the raging machine that is the PRC. I imagine within a decade HK will have complete martial law and Taiwan will have been invaded
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In a nutshell we should've tried to force through a much longer extension on our lease or refused to turn HK over but now what do we do to stop the raging machine that is the PRC. I imagine within a decade HK will have complete martial law and Taiwan will have been invaded
Which is why it's more important than ever now to stop China. Trump's Trade War could do it, but I don't know. Hong Kong may be too late to save but it's not too late for Taiwan.

Back then I believe the best strategy would've been to not even bring the issue up. I don't think China would've asked for Hong Kong without being asked until around 2000. And of course the colonial administration should have given Hong Kong democracy after WWII.
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Disrespecting the anthem is rightfully illegal in China - since 2017 in SAR Hong Kong. But Hong Kong rioters abuse the freedoms China graciously provide them by disrespecting the anthem. Literally biting the hand that feeds.
I'm invoking Poe's law on this. It's impossibly to tell whether you're engaged in trolling, parody or some sort of extended piece of performance art. In any case, it's bonkers.

In any case, I hope they repeatedly drown out the Chinese anthem. With kazoos. Lots of kazoos. Playing the Birdie Song.

America fought a war against its separatist traitors. Why, then, do they take the side of the separatists in China? The answer is obviously the colonial mindset, an attempt to divide China, because of their fear of a strong and proud nation that they cannot bully.
Yeah, the 19th century politics of a state created to uphold slavery are really relevant here.
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nice, label anyone who doesn't pander to your ridiculous views as a chinese stooge

as far as I'm concerned, OP is completely right - the amount of disrespect the HKrs are exhibiting is disgusting - like waving american flags and asking the UK to take them back- like ****ing seriously? way to completely **** on your ancestors who got ****ed over by them colonials

bootlicking on a whole nother level
Why should someone who was born in Hong Kong as a British subject have any allegiance to the People's Republic of China? Despite this being in the 20th century, the PRC specifically objected to them having any say over their status. They were horse-traded because the British couldn't realistically defend Hong Kong against the threats of the PRC.

Both the UK and PRC were complicit in an act that was in violation of the principles of international law and the right of self-determination for the people of Hong Kong. Britain, at least, did it at gunpoint. But don't expect for a second that the PRC has some divine right to Hong Kong, it should rightly be up to its people to decide without the threats and cajoling of their larger neighbour.

There people are patriots:

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Do it then.

"If we burn, you burn with us"
Whilst in theory i agree with the sentiment it should probably be remembered that bullets trump ideals..
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Why should someone who was born in Hong Kong as a British subject have any allegiance to the People's Republic of China? Despite this being in the 20th century, the PRC specifically objected to them having any say over their status. They were horse-traded because the British couldn't realistically defend Hong Kong against the threats of the PRC.

Both the UK and PRC were complicit in an act that was in violation of the principles of international law and the right of self-determination for the people of Hong Kong. Britain, at least, did it at gunpoint. But don't expect for a second that the PRC has some divine right to Hong Kong, it should rightly be up to its people to decide without the threats and cajoling of their larger neighbour.

Whilst in principle i agree with you we cant forget that the most basic tenet of national law is that of sovereignty. In this Hong Kong was always part of China but on a lease to the UK. We never owned the territory.
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Whilst in principle i agree with you we cant forget that the most basic tenet of national law is that of sovereignty. In this Hong Kong was always part of China but on a lease to the UK. We never owned the territory.
I'm not an expert at all but does an indefinite lease, in practice, essentially constitute ownership?
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Well I didn't know AngeryPenguin is a CCP stooge, but at least I now do.
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I'm not an expert at all but does an indefinite lease, in practice, essentially constitute ownership?
Indeed it does but HK was on a 99 year lease as per the 1898 agreement.
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Indeed it does but HK was on a 99 year lease as per the 1898 agreement.
Are you sure about that? Take leasing a property as an example. It says on gov.uk that leasehold properties are: "You’ll have a legal agreement with the landlord (sometimes known as the ‘freeholder’) called a ‘lease’. This tells you how many years you’ll own the property.

Ownership of the property returns to the landlord when the lease comes to an end."


If that is the case for propeerty leasing then surely the UK 'owned' HK for 99 years until 1997 where the ownership of HongKong was transfered to China.

https://www.gov.uk/leasehold-property
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Good, who gives a **** about China?
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Whilst in principle i agree with you we cant forget that the most basic tenet of national law is that of sovereignty. In this Hong Kong was always part of China but on a lease to the UK. We never owned the territory.
This is not quite the full story. Much of Hong Kong was owned outright by Britain, having been ceded 'in perpetuity' under the 1842 Treaty of Nanking and the 1860 Convention of Peking. Some further territories were leased from 1898.

So, when the 99-year lease expired Britain was under no obligation (but significant Chinese pressure) to return the whole of Hong Kong. Given that the urban area had grown into the leased territory since the 1950s and that the latter could not be returned without significant disruption, the government decided to offload the whole.
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