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I currently have an offer to study a science degree at UCL (in fact my place in confirmed I’m due to start in 2 weeks) however, imperial college London has always been my dream. The entry requirements for them are slightly higher and I have asked admissions, they said they will accept resit applicants.

Is there much difference between studying at imperial and studying at UCL?
What would my changes be if I were to resit and reapply to imperial? (I never applied in the first place due to predicted grades being too low)
I achieved A*A*BC in A levels (however I would need to resit the B and C in hopes of achieving A*A as they’re subjects required by imperial for my chosen course).

Is it worth the risk and extra year out? Or should I just go to UCL (I am very happy with UCL but I’ve always just wanted to go to imperial due to it specialising in STEM and all).
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Lol

The difference is minuscule
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You might get rejected from Imperial, so it's not worth the risk unless you can defer the course I think
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You might get rejected from Imperial, so it's not worth the risk unless you can defer the course I think
That’s what I thought, there’s a high chance of rejection due to my poor grades first time around and I don’t want to risk losing my UCL place if I can’t get into imperial.

If I defer my UCL place can I still apply to imperial?
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That’s what I thought, there’s a high chance of rejection due to my poor grades first time around and I don’t want to risk losing my UCL place if I can’t get into imperial.

If I defer my UCL place can I still apply to imperial?
No idea.

Some unis dont accept applicants if you hold a place somewhere else
Have to ask them. Also does ucl accept deferments?
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That’s what I thought, there’s a high chance of rejection due to my poor grades first time around and I don’t want to risk losing my UCL place if I can’t get into imperial.

If I defer my UCL place can I still apply to imperial?
No you need to reject UCL and pull out of UCAS altogether to reapply - do not do this UCL is world class uni and it’s an amazing uni and you’ll love it, no point
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No idea.

Some unis dont accept applicants if you hold a place somewhere else
Have to ask them. Also does ucl accept deferments?
The department I’m with sent an email saying if u wish to defer for various reasons these can be discussed so I’m not sure if migrating circumstances are needed or if anyone can defer for any reason
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No you need to reject UCL and pull out of UCAS altogether to reapply - do not do this UCL is world class uni and it’s an amazing uni and you’ll love it, no point
Okay thanks I am leaning towards just going to UCL, would take a fat L if I were rejected by them and imperial
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The department I’m with sent an email saying if u wish to defer for various reasons these can be discussed so I’m not sure if migrating circumstances are needed or if anyone can defer for any reason
Lol I dont think saying you want to defer because u want to apply to A different uni is a good idea
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My advice to you is to look at the prospectus of ucl and try to fall in love with it
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The department I’m with sent an email saying if u wish to defer for various reasons these can be discussed so I’m not sure if migrating circumstances are needed or if anyone can defer for any reason
If you defer you still won’t be apply to apply to imperial in no way.

One, you can’t apply to another uni while holding an offer. If you did you would HAVE to reject UCL and start a new 2020 application.

Two, let’s say you deferred and decided to wait till results day and see your results....you still can’t apply to imperial cos they don’t take part in adjustment or clearing, unless you were willing to take a year out after your bettered results and apply all over again, hence starting uni in two years time.

Or you can just reject UCL and do your exams and risk not having a place at UCL or imperial next year ALSOOOOOO some universities don’t accept people who are only resitting two a levels, they want people to resit 3 a levles as they think it’s unfair to other students applying who are doing their first sitting of exams.

You need to research and draw out your pros and cons and see if it’s really worth the risk....

If I was you I would go to UCL and see if you can transfer second year into imperial bc I think imperial does second year transfers for some courses, or just do ur degree at ucl and do further studies like masters or phd at imperial?
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Just go to UCL... you don't want to waste time doing resits and risk not going anywhere... I actually rejected Imperial for UCL because I prefer the buildings lol
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Did you know that approximately 20-60+ percent of people in Imperial STEM have to resit the first year? Its like this for a lot of these hardcore STEM institutes. You can google this. Know what youre trying to get into:
I dont recognise those numbers as having any basis in reality !

Check out unistats for some real numbers, for example in BSc Physics continuation from year 1 onwards is 95 %

https://unistats.ac.uk/subjects/stud...eturnTo/Search

Of that 5% "loss" a good fraction will be for personal reasons, illness etc. Of the last 20 or so personal tutees I looked after, all passed everything in year 1, one failed a single exam and had to retake over the summer in year 2, one (an international student) took an IOS to do national service and one took an IOS for health reasons.
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dont take a year out. it is not definitive that you can get in to imperial college and it is year out of your life. UCL is only slightly lower in world ranking but in rwal life everyone sees them as the same. btw i wanted to do mecine but my predicted grades might be low as my performance has lacked since moving to a new school. what were your predicted grades and requirement grades. also how did you get into ucl
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I dont recognise those numbers as having any basis in reality !

Check out unistats for some real numbers, for example in BSc Physics continuation from year 1 onwards is 95 %

https://unistats.ac.uk/subjects/stud...eturnTo/Search

Of that 5% "loss" a good fraction will be for personal reasons, illness etc. Of the last 20 or so personal tutees I looked after, all passed everything in year 1, one failed a single exam and had to retake over the summer in year 2, one (an international student) took an IOS to do national service and one took an IOS for health reasons.
What is the meaning of continuation? It does not exclude resits from what it says. You have to email them under some kind of freedom of information act or clause to actually get the total percentage of resits.
https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=2654028

Look at this:

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...rates_amongs_6

And the excel in the above website:

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...uers.xlsx.html

and this thread:
https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=2654028
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https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=5591120
https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=2821103
https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=1919597
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dont take a year out. it is not definitive that you can get in to imperial college and it is year out of your life. UCL is only slightly lower in world ranking but in rwal life everyone sees them as the same. btw i wanted to do mecine but my predicted grades might be low as my performance has lacked since moving to a new school. what were your predicted grades and requirement grades. also how did you get into ucl
Predicted grades: AAAA
Offer: AAA
Achieved: A*A*BC
Missed my offer but they accepted me anyway (for physics).
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You are reading the wrong bit of the spread sheet !

Lines 23-26 give you the % TOTAL of Overseas / EU students who dropped out, it is clearly between 1.0-1.6% for the years 2011-2015.

Lines 32-35 give you the % TOTAL of Home students who dropped who, it is clearly between 1.0-1.2% for the years 2011-2015.

Going further down you see that OF THOSE WHO DROPPED OUT ONLY the reason for doing so was a fail in ~50-60% of cases (fail will likely mean multiple attempts). Of the small fraction who do drop out, about 40% are international / overseas (lines 4-17) which is roughly in line with the fraction of internationals on quite a few courses.

Yes, its clearly possible to fail the 1st year of an Imperial degree, even if you start out as an A* student, but only a small fraction (typically sub 2% in year 1) do, and it takes several repeated fails as retakes are allowed. The threads you flag up are indeed unfortunate for the students concerened, but they represent a very small fraction of the student cohort at Imperial, and they certainly dont support your "40% fails" claim.

I get to sit in the examiners meetings that actually generate some of these figures, I think I would notice if we were losing 20-40% of our students at the end of year 1.
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You are reading the wrong bit of the spread sheet !

Lines 23-26 give you the % TOTAL of Overseas / EU students who dropped out, it is clearly between 1.0-1.6% for the years 2011-2015.

Lines 32-35 give you the % TOTAL of Home students who dropped who, it is clearly between 1.0-1.2% for the years 2011-2015.

Going further down you see that OF THOSE WHO DROPPED OUT ONLY the reason for doing so was a fail in ~50-60% of cases (fail will likely mean multiple attempts). Of the small fraction who do drop out, about 40% are international / overseas (lines 4-17) which is roughly in line with the fraction of internationals on quite a few courses.

Yes, its clearly possible to fail the 1st year of an Imperial degree, even if you start out as an A* student, but only a small fraction (typically sub 2% in year 1) do, and it takes several repeated fails as retakes are allowed. The threads you flag up are indeed unfortunate for the students concerened, but they represent a very small fraction of the student cohort at Imperial, and they certainly dont support your "40% fails" claim.

I get to sit in the examiners meetings that actually generate some of these figures, I think I would notice if we were losing 20-40% of our students at the end of year 1.
I concur I had some wrong impressions. The data indicates now that majority of imperial students graduate (with a few resitting). Thank you and no offense toward anyone intended.
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you're wasting a year for nothing. go to ucl!
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