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Hi, please could someone explain the differences between these, I always thought a solicitor and lawyer was 2 different jobs but apparently they are the exact same?

What is the average salary for the 3 (preferably in north england)? Which is the best to be? How long does it take to become each of these? Is a law degree worth it? What qualifications do I need, e.g A levels or just a degree? Thank you
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Hi, please could someone explain the differences between these, I always thought a solicitor and lawyer was 2 different jobs but apparently they are the exact same?

What is the average salary for the 3 (preferably in north england)? Which is the best to be? How long does it take to become each of these? Is a law degree worth it? What qualifications do I need, e.g A levels or just a degree? Thank you
Law is a field rather than a job: people who qualify as a lawyer either become a barrister (these work in a 'inn' and are the people you see in court) or solicitor does legal work in an office, they can be working on contracts, advisory, transactions, almost anything to do with the law but not enforcing litigation (the bit in court) (although they can be involved in prep for litigation).

To make things more confusing: some companies hire lawyers to not be either of these things for a number of different corporate in-house positions (although normally these people are qualified solicitors)

You also get other more niche attorneys who work on other legal roles: for example a patent attorney, these people work on drafting, and submitting patents, then theirs trade mark attorneys etc.

Bottom line is their are a bunch of different types of lawyers for different activities: but a barrasiter is NOT allowed to act a patent attorney nor can a solicitor do what a trade mark attorney does. Every type of lawyer has a unique training program and has a specific purpose. For example in the Aero industry a pilot wouldn't do maintenance on the aircraft, a mechanic would, same industry different jobs its like that with law.
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Law is a field rather than a job: people who qualify as a lawyer either become a barrister (these work in a 'inn' and are the people you see in court) or solicitor does legal work in an office, they can be working on contracts, advisory, transactions, almost anything to do with the law but not enforcing litigation (the bit in court) (although they can be involved in prep for litigation).

To make things more confusing: some companies hire lawyers to not be either of these things for a number of different corporate in-house positions (although normally these people are qualified solicitors)

You also get other more niche attorneys who work on other legal roles: for example a patent attorney, these people work on drafting, and submitting patents, then theirs trade mark attorneys etc.

Bottom line is their are a bunch of different types of lawyers for different activities: but a barrasiter is NOT allowed to act a patent attorney nor can a solicitor do what a trade mark attorney does. Every type of lawyer has a unique training program and has a specific purpose. For example in the Aero industry a pilot wouldn't do maintenance on the aircraft, a mechanic would, same industry different jobs its like that with law.
Thank you for clearing that up! So is the term “lawyer” not actually a job itself? Would you say it’s better to be a barrister or solicitor? Do you know which one is the better salary? What’s the llb?
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This is irrelevant asf but I always used to mix up a Barrister and a Barista.
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This is irrelevant asf but I always used to mix up a Barrister and a Barista.
Sorry
to be fair, both jobs are roughly as interesting as each other
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The word "lawyer" is a general term so people who know what they are talking about would be more likely to talk about wanting to become a solicitor or a barrister, since they are quite different jobs.
The LLB is a Law degree.


As to which one is better, it us up to you to decide which one suits you better Pany5689

https://www.prospects.ac.uk/job-profiles/solicitor

https://www.prospects.ac.uk/job-profiles/barrister
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The word "lawyer" is a general term so people who know what they are talking about would be more likely to talk about wanting to become a solicitor or a barrister, since they are quite different jobs.
The LLB is a Law degree.


As to which one is better, it us up to you to decide which one suits you better Pany5689

https://www.prospects.ac.uk/job-profiles/solicitor

https://www.prospects.ac.uk/job-profiles/barrister
Hi, thank you for clearing that up! I just see people on the TV sometimes where it says underneath their name that they're a lawyer so I always thought they were 3 separate jobs. Thank you for the links I will have a look now! Choosing a career is hard ahahaha
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Hi, thank you for clearing that up! I just see people on the TV sometimes where it says underneath their name that they're a lawyer so I always thought they were 3 separate jobs. Thank you for the links I will have a look now! Choosing a career is hard ahahaha
I think people use the term "lawyer" more in America :holmes:
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Thank you for clearing that up! So is the term “lawyer” not actually a job itself? Would you say it’s better to be a barrister or solicitor? Do you know which one is the better salary? What’s the llb?
A 'lawyer' is a job, but its someone who practices law for a career, but they could do a variety of things.

Its not better to be one or the other, their just different things, the top end of both make exceptional amounts and the bottom end struggle (as with almost anything). There are probably less top barristers than solicesters but that's just the nature of the work. ie the magic circle firms + top US firms outnumber the total people in the big Inns (ie Greys Inn, Lincolns Inn etc). I would say if you are looking to select one, searching on TSR is not the right place.

If you are in yr12 now (or similar) looking for a career, I really recommend doing a very detailed search of what the job is like, working in a top firm or in a big corporate law role the career is very demanding (long hours, including weekends, holidays etc) lots of tedious paperwork, the people who who do well have an exceptional drive & motivation, and passion for the industry, without this dealing with it is impossible.
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A 'lawyer' is a job, but its someone who practices law for a career, but they could do a variety of things.

Its not better to be one or the other, their just different things, the top end of both make exceptional amounts and the bottom end struggle (as with almost anything). There are probably less top barristers than solicesters but that's just the nature of the work. ie the magic circle firms + top US firms outnumber the total people in the big Inns (ie Greys Inn, Lincolns Inn etc). I would say if you are looking to select one, searching on TSR is not the right place.

If you are in yr12 now (or similar) looking for a career, I really recommend doing a very detailed search of what the job is like, working in a top firm or in a big corporate law role the career is very demanding (long hours, including weekends, holidays etc) lots of tedious paperwork, the people who who do well have an exceptional drive & motivation, and passion for the industry, without this dealing with it is impossible.
Hi, thank you very much for this! By the bottom end do you mean people who have just recently qualified? Yeah I know that it probably isn't I just come to get advice as google tells me all sorts of different things! Yeah I'm currently in year 13, I'm sure it is, I do have strong motivation and dedication! Well it's either going to be a law or medicine degree ahahaha
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isn't lawyer just a blanket term for the above two lmaoo
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https://www.chambersstudent.co.uk/wh...you-want-to-be

A nice overview of the similarities/differences between the Solicitor and Barrister profession (both are lawyers)
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CILEx lot are called lawyers too I believe. Don't know about conveyancers and notaries.
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https://www.chambersstudent.co.uk/wh...you-want-to-be

A nice overview of the similarities/differences between the Solicitor and Barrister profession (both are lawyers)
Saw the chambers link, got angry, and then realised I didn't need to punch any doors.
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First of all look at your likely A level grades. You will probably need high A level grades - ideally As (and good GCSEs) and then a good degree. Decide if realistically that is possible for you. If so yo udon't have to choose whether to be a barrister or solicitor until during your law degree and in fact you can read a different subject at university rather than law if you prefer although it would then take you an extra year to qualify.

On pay one big firm in the NE Ward H pays trainee solicitors £24k (you would get almost double that in London) https://www.lawcareers.net/Solicitors/Ward-Hadaway and then when they qualify about £36k http://www.lex100.com/index.php/the-...-will-you-earn (and even up to £100k when you qualify in London).
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I think people use the term "lawyer" more in America :holmes:
This also makes more sense, as in the states a qualified barrister & solicitor just have to pass the bar, and then they can do either; (whilst they would almost certainly pick one) the qualifying exam is the same for both over there, unlike in the UK.
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I could have sworn I already replied to this thread. Apparently not.
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Law is a field rather than a job: people who qualify as a lawyer either become a barrister (these work in a 'inn' and are the people you see in court) or solicitor does legal work in an office,
I know this has already been corrected, but barristers do not work in an 'inn'. Every practising barrister must be a member of one of the four Inns of Court (Lincoln's Inn, Gray's Inn, Middle Temple, Inner Temple), but that has no bearing on how you practise. You don't get work through your Inn. The majority of barristers are self employed and are a member of a Chambers. A smaller number are employed in house or sole practitioners.

And also, whilst I'm not going to go into this in depth, advocacy does play a large part in the majority of barristers' practices, but there can be a lot of variation in that regard both as a barrister and solicitor. In criminal law, for example, a barrister will expect to spend virtually all of their time in court, whereas a barrister with a commercial practice will have days out of court on papers. A criminal solicitor may also do quite a lot of advocacy in the Magistrates Court, or possibly the Crown Court if they have their higher rights. In personal injury law virtually all of the advocacy is done by barristers. In employment law you don't need specific rights of audience to appear in the employment tribunal, so you often see a range of advocates in the ET, and many Respondent law firms will handle their own advocacy to a greater or lesser degree rather than sending it out to barristers. So whilst the two jobs are very different, there is a lot of variation even in the individual roles depending on how and where you end up practising.

Every type of lawyer has a unique training program and has a specific purpose. For example in the Aero industry a pilot wouldn't do maintenance on the aircraft, a mechanic would, same industry different jobs its like that with law.
As I've touched on above, I think this misrepresents the position somewhat. Whilst you can get pigeon holed into a particular role or area of law early on as either a solicitor or a barrister, in most cases there is flexibility and the chance to diversify to a greater or lesser degree. Solicitors often see changes to their practice when they move firm, or possible move to a different role within the same firm, whilst it is common for barristers' practices to develop as they go on through their career. There is, in any event, not a 'unique training programme' for every type of lawyer. [/quote]

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There are probably less top barristers than solicesters but that's just the nature of the work. ie the magic circle firms + top US firms outnumber the total people in the big Inns (ie Greys Inn, Lincolns Inn etc). I would say if you are looking to select one, searching on TSR is not the right place.
In terms of pure numbers, there will be more higher earning solicitors than barristers, but then there are a lot more solicitors than barristers anyway (about 140,000 compared to about 20,000). In terms of proportion, a higher proportion of barristers will be high earners compared to solicitors. Having said that, even someone whose main factor is money should be wary of deciding to become a barrister on that basis. Managing your money as a barrister is difficult even if you do tend to earn more of it, as income varies significantly from month to month and you're responsible for your own tax, VAT, expenses, and pension. Even if you're earning less, many would prefer the steady and secure income that comes with an employed role.
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This also makes more sense, as in the states a qualified barrister & solicitor just have to pass the bar, and then they can do either; (whilst they would almost certainly pick one) the qualifying exam is the same for both over there, unlike in the UK.
This is not correct. There are no 'solicitors' or 'barristers' in the US and prospective lawyers do not choose between them. The only reason we have both in this country is because we have a split profession. The majority of countries do not. In the US you are a 'lawyer' regardless of the particular specialism you have or how much time you spend in court. The majority of countries have the same system, and it's only a handful that have a split profession like we do.

I appreciate I've just put together a long post correcting you mnot, but the majority of what you've said is right. It's just that some of it wasn't, and it's those parts that needed to be addressed.
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that's fair enough most of my understanding of the law and legal profession comes from my family members a couple of whom are corporate lawyers (ie indirectly, and a much stronger understanding of the solicitor/corporate side compared to barristers and litigation).

Having grown up with people always working in this profession and hence talking to these people every day for 20+ years i've picked up a good feel for it, but probably more of the culture, and an idea of the actual day-to-day activities and more of what the work content is as opposed to the technical accuracy and the intricacies of the industry.

I think we were actually on agreement with the US attorneys tho, that whilst a US attorney is qualified for almost everything by passing the bar (they would most likely either specialise in the corporate jargon or litigation once in a firm).
There are a lot more areas of law than just corporate and litigation.
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