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No god no. What Nazi sympathisers founded the EU? The EU is the antithesis of national socialism.. Mosley did support something like the EU but much looser based on nation states.

so you admit you’re homophobic now?

Shouldn’t we address the low birth rate problem, eg like Poland and Hungary? Shouldn’t we support our own people have children. You are not being consistent or critical here and are thinking like a liberal.

agree that banks, businesses and politicians etc blame immigrants rather than accept responsibility.... but all of the above push and lobby aggressively for mass immigration- which is then used to lower wages and punish and divide working class solidarity.
Immigration is seen as a positive by most big businesses and organisations like the EU because it provides a source of cheap, reliable and constant labour. Working class white British people are far more likely to ask for higher pay or join unions than people who have just arrived from the other side of the world, can't speak any english and just happy to be here etc.

https://www.shoutoutuk.org/2018/09/2...n-nazi-agenda/

Why not? Mosely supported a federal Europe, - and indeed, whilst most fascists of today are anti EU, or at least critical of the EU's liberal policies, many fascists now see a wider "European" culture, rather than discriminating against fellow white Europeans. For example, Britain First is now actively targeting and recruiting Polish people, because many Polish are right wing and anti islam. In the days of the BNP, this would have been unheard of. These people don't see their own version of european identity.

We should support the low birth problem, but it's much easier to encourage immigration. As long as immigrants are spread out, rather than concentrated in small pockets which is what is currently the problem now, and they speak english and are happy to assimilate, I have no problem.
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(Original post by Ferrograd)
Immigration is seen as a positive by most big businesses and organisations like the EU because it provides a source of cheap, reliable and constant labour. Working class white British people are far more likely to ask for higher pay or join unions than people who have just arrived from the other side of the world, can't speak any english and just happy to be here etc.

https://www.shoutoutuk.org/2018/09/2...n-nazi-agenda/

Why not? Mosely supported a federal Europe, - and indeed, whilst most fascists of today are anti EU, or at least critical of the EU's liberal policies, many fascists now see a wider "European" culture, rather than discriminating against fellow white Europeans. For example, Britain First is now actively targeting and recruiting Polish people, because many Polish are right wing and anti islam. In the days of the BNP, this would have been unheard of. These people don't see their own version of european identity.

We should support the low birth problem, but it's much easier to encourage immigration. As long as immigrants are spread out, rather than concentrated in small pockets which is what is currently the problem now, and they speak english and are happy to assimilate, I have no problem.
Well yeah that’s my point.

the argument you’re making re Hitler and the EU is ridiculous. That’s like calling Pinochet a communist because he was a dictator like Lenin. Maybe there’s some vague similarity on how they operate but you will at least acknowledge that EU Social liberalism is the polar opposite of national socialism just as Pinochet is to Lenin?

Am I opposed in principle to a federal Europe if we actually benefitted from it rather than it being a tool for global capital then no.

The problem is that immigration has even put if control for too long for this to be possible- eg look at London, unless you plan on forced resettlement this is not remotely sustainable
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Well, there is a term "transphobic", and if that is true, then I am openly transphobic but not homophobic in the normal sense.
How can you be transphobic but not homophobic.
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Immigration is seen as a positive by most big businesses and organisations like the EU because it provides a source of cheap, reliable and constant labour. Working class white British people are far more likely to ask for higher pay or join unions than people who have just arrived from the other side of the world, can't speak any english and just happy to be here etc.

https://www.shoutoutuk.org/2018/09/2...n-nazi-agenda/

Why not? Mosely supported a federal Europe, - and indeed, whilst most fascists of today are anti EU, or at least critical of the EU's liberal policies, many fascists now see a wider "European" culture, rather than discriminating against fellow white Europeans. For example, Britain First is now actively targeting and recruiting Polish people, because many Polish are right wing and anti islam. In the days of the BNP, this would have been unheard of. These people don't see their own version of european identity.

We should support the low birth problem, but it's much easier to encourage immigration. As long as immigrants are spread out, rather than concentrated in small pockets which is what is currently the problem now, and they speak english and are happy to assimilate, I have no problem.
Your source doesn’t show that the EU was ‘founded by Nazi sympathisers’ but that the EEC drew upon structures originally made by the Nazis. Which isn’t remotely what you are implying.
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I guess i'm "alt left" if that's an actual thing, I'm a socialist. Ask me anything.

Also guess i'll put out there: i'm probably one of the few socialists out there to be religous. I'm a christian.
What's the endgame of your beliefs? What kind of a country, or world, do you want to have?
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I've always wondered that, I think its just because the ultimate basis for far right and alt right is racial supremacy, whereas far left is often seen as basedo n class. Although I've seen plenty of people attacking the far left. George Galloway for example has always been labelled as "far left" (although in reality, he is just an antiimperialist with some Marxist tendencies)
Correction. ‘Racial supremacist’ (or putting the majority first) in their own countries, in the same way say China does.

Third positionist movements are against colonialism like the British empire or as practised by the US today..

In other words we are for the right of people’s to self determine and this is actually a original left wing value. The original fascists were actually ex communists.
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Are you really surprised people don’t like socialism?
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Are you really surprised people don’t like socialism?
I’m just confused why she keeps posting these clips and pictures. I’m wondering if she’s okay. Seems a little obsessive!
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I’m just confused why she keeps posting these clips and pictures. I’m wondering if she’s okay. Seems a little obsessive!
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I don't support china's security measures.

Hong kong is not being oppressed. Britain was "oppressing" Hong Kong just as much as China supposedly is.

Hong Kongers are protesting, either for independence or to be annexed by the UK again. Of course they are backed by the US in one way or the other! It would be good for US interests if HK came into the western sphere of influence.

China is socialist, not communist. My chinese friends agree with me on this.
2) Millions of HKers would know more than you sorry. Yes britain probs oppressed them ( i don't know what tho) but we are talking about today. China is becoming a leading power, and its CCP party is at no shortage of power.

3) Yes, but HKers aren't protesting for independence, but prevention of HK being assimilated into China (2 state system know that?). Just as US may back them, the Chinese government is backing the HK government.

4) Chinese people agreeing does NOT = verified opinion. its an opinion nonetheless. I doubt a chinese here knows as much as a chinese there about politics to do with china, especially if they are born here.
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What's the endgame of your beliefs? What kind of a country, or world, do you want to have?
Endgame - ah, well, global revolution is largely unfeasible. I'm more of an advocate for socialism in one country. We can support revolutions in third world countries to aid development. I want to live in a country or world that prioritises people over profit.
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Correction. ‘Racial supremacist’ (or putting the majority first) in their own countries, in the same way say China does.

Third positionist movements are against colonialism like the British empire or as practised by the US today..

In other words we are for the right of people’s to self determine and this is actually a original left wing value. The original fascists were actually ex communists.
We are for national self determination, but did Nazi germany give people that right? No, I'm pretty sure they invaded poland, france etc and occupied these territories. Austria and the sudetenland? Well, Germany did have claims and it did even have claims on parts of Poland but apart from that it had no reason to be invading other countries. The ideology of Lebenspraum was what motivated expansion.

I've got nothing wrong with "putting our own people" first, but I mean British people, not white people. You say China, and you are right in a way, except it wasn't like this at first. Xi Jingpign said that Uighurs were "Chinese" and were just as Chinese as the Han. Unlike Germany did with the jews, China is not genociding the muslims, they are basically very forcefully assimilating them into Han society, and getting them to reject their identity like the americans did to the plains indians. The germans never got jews to revoke their jewish identity in favour of an aryan-german one.
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Did the USSR? Of course not. They did do until the war (which is a whole different kettle of fish) they originally had an agreement with Poland to take back their original lands given to the plea by Britain after the war: Britain and France declared war on Germany not vice versa. Germany tried to make peace with Britain but this was rejected by Churchill and Roosevelt who wanted war.

As for declaring war on the USSR- Hitler knew that eventually Stalin would move against Germany. Russia had already been supporting groups like the Spartacists. Also the early communists were much more pure Marxists- and by that I mean like the western ones today that want to deconstruct everything and destroy families. Ever hear of the league of the militant godless? Well they were big back then. Additionally notice how many trotskyists like Irving transitioned into NeoCons?

There is a huge degree of overlap between Marxism/ Trotskyism and NeoLiberalism/ NeoConservatism. Why is that?

You are at least aware enough to see the obvious parallels between China and the third reich. There are some very big and important differences in power and influence which I’m sure you would admit between Jews and Uighurs. I can’t really address that here sadly though.
Most trotskyites are basically liberals today.

What parallels between the Reich and China? As I said, whilst it does at first look similar, they are completely different. The Nazis never tried to intergrate the Jews into German society. They were untermenschen, although some attitudes like this do exist in China.
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I think the benefit system is absolutely appalling. Why should we have to pay for the benefit of other people. Other people that we have nothing to do with and will never know. You're born into this world and should look after yourself accordingly. Not to mention the sickening abuse of the system by absolute and utter DOSSERS who do nothing but laze around, drink and pop out a kid every 9 months.
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We are for national self determination, but did Nazi germany give people that right? No, I'm pretty sure they invaded poland, france etc and occupied these territories. Austria and the sudetenland? Well, Germany did have claims and it did even have claims on parts of Poland but apart from that it had no reason to be invading other countries. The ideology of Lebenspraum was what motivated expansion.

I've got nothing wrong with "putting our own people" first, but I mean British people, not white people. You say China, and you are right in a way, except it wasn't like this at first. Xi Jingpign said that Uighurs were "Chinese" and were just as Chinese as the Han. Unlike Germany did with the jews, China is not genociding the muslims, they are basically very forcefully assimilating them into Han society, and getting them to reject their identity like the americans did to the plains indians. The germans never got jews to revoke their jewish identity in favour of an aryan-german one.
Germany invaded those countries because they annexed former German territories after WW1 and millions of Germans were living there and being oppressed by the french, polish, Czech and Belgian governments. I honestly believe that if the Versailles treaty was not so harsh on Germany, WW2 would never have happened
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Ave you ever kissed a girl, son?
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I think the benefit system is absolutely appalling. Why should we have to pay for the benefit of other people. Other people that we have nothing to do with and will never know. You're born into this world and should look after yourself accordingly. Not to mention the sickening abuse of the system by absolute and utter DOSSERS who do nothing but laze around, drink and pop out a kid every 9 months.
We are humans and as a Christian we have a responsibility to look after each other. Yes, the system, like any actual system, can be abused and yes a lot of people do jack sh*t. But these people are obsessed with consumerism which is a product of capitalism (although some would argue it is the driving force behind it). Education is key
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Ave you ever kissed a girl, son?
Where is the relevance to this question?
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