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In my English class, we are beginning to look at the feminist critical theory and as the only male in the class, I keep on getting questions that I don't know how to answer or, that I am apprehensive to answer.

One of which being asked if I would be offended to be called feminine or effeminate which isn't good however I answer, it in front of the 29 completely silent girls whose eyes are now trained on me wondering if I am the misogynist that modern feminism would have them believe I am. If I say, 'Yes, I would be offended' then it would be assumed that I think being effeminate is bad, which I don't. If I were to answer no then I would be lying. I would be lying because the reason for offence when a man, who is not effeminate, is called effeminate is due to its falsity, not the idea that 'being feminine is bad'. If I were to call someone something that they are not then I would either be corrected or they would be offended.

Also, I am repeatedly being asked if I consider myself a feminist to which the answer is no. Here is the dictionary definition of feminism: 'the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes'. I don't agree with this because men and women are not equal in all respects, of course, I believe in equal treatment of all people and that women should have equal rights. However, the fact remains that men and women have their differences and perfect equality when put into practice would cause unfairness. If our society was run to this standard every sport, for example, would be male and female but it isn't because men are inherently stronger and faster than women due to our varying physiologies. Other than this I believe that feminism, by that definition, is no longer required in western society as we have already achieved a sufficient level of equality. I believe that suffrage (1st wave) was completely necessary in order to combat the blatantly unfair society in which it emerged, I believe that second-wave feminism (1960's-80's) was necessary for the same reason but, I do not believe that in modern-western society that third-wave feminism is a necessity. I detailed the reason for this logic with, 'we have already achieved a sufficient level of equality' and it seems third-wave feminism is becoming a useless vehicle for misandry and hypocrisy and I would be lying if I claimed to align myself with it :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6agT48Im2w . I anticipate that the first response to this will be,' well look at the gender pay gap' which simply doesn't exist, in the west. If you do your research and have a basic understanding of economics, you will realise that it is a poorly collected and analysed statistic: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...king-the-myths
I am willing to have my mind changed but, will not engage in futile argument.
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If you want to engage in the discussion without putting your neck on the line, you can flip the questions around and see what the other 29 say. Would they like being called masculine, for instance. Or, if they feel transgender people are overreacting when called an otherwise acceptable pronoun they don't like.
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a man being offended at being called effete is equivalent to a woman being offended at being called butch (if she is not lesbian)

it does not logically follow that the man is a misogynist or the woman is a misandrist
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(Original post by ltsmith)
a man being offended at being called effete is equivalent to a woman being offended at being called butch (if she is not lesbian)

it does not logically follow that the man is a misogynist or the woman is a misandrist
I did not say that the woman would be a misandrist for calling a man feminine, thats ridiculous.
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The state of the so-called education system is quite worrying, having been taken over for good by the loony left. A quick look at this page shows people being force fed the feminist ideology in English classes and the Climate change paranoia being dished out by Media Studies. There probably is no way to escape it, they are winning the war by grabbing the kids and making sure they don't do Reason but Emoting only. Truly worrying, they all come out of there reciting the Socialist mantra these days without understanding any of it. Result for the Left.
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Seems like you've made your mind up, but to say we don't need feminism in the West is simply untrue. Look at abortion rights in places like Northern Ireland, domestic violence (both male and female victims, because feminists care about male victims), poor rape conviction rates, the idea (in law) of men not being able to be raped. Using your sports example - of course they should be separate, nobody is saying that they shouldn't be, but both "versions" should be regarded the same - for example look at Twitter replies under a tweet about women's football or men's - people still think women shouldn't be playing football, or that we shouldn't be hearing about it - which is wrong, surely?

Why are you offended if someone calls you effeminate? Surely, it's an opinion, so it can't be "right or wrong"? What is it about being called effeminate that actually offends you - being labelled as something "wrong", or something else?
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poor rape conviction rates
What would those rates ideally be? 100%, 50%, what? We've all heard the stories of blokes being framed by the police to inflate these 'rates' feminists object to, what would they like to see? Every man going down on a woman's word, that's probably as sophisticated as it gets.

Alison Margaret Saunders, CB is a British barrister and a former Director of Public Prosecutions. She was the first lawyer from within the Crown Prosecution Service and the second woman to hold the appointment. She was also the first holder of this office not to be a Queen's Counsel.
She was also the first not to get an honour at the end of her tenure, which is quite telling of something. She was quite dedicated to inflating them rates too, might have to do with that.
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Modern feminism is all about special rights for women, being pushed up artificially on the back of the 'victimhood' card without which the whole edifice crumbles. That state of victimhood is absolutely crucial to justify the preferential treatment they demand, they want to be fast-tracked to the top and they want it now. There's no Rational argument for it unless the V word is invoked, as it is by a bunch of lightweights who could only ever make it to the top under such pretences. The women who don't need any of that narrative to stand on their feet are too busy living a life already.
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Seems like you've made your mind up, but to say we don't need feminism in the West is simply untrue. Look at abortion rights in places like Northern Ireland, domestic violence (both male and female victims, because feminists care about male victims), poor rape conviction rates, the idea (in law) of men not being able to be raped. Using your sports example - of course they should be separate, nobody is saying that they shouldn't be, but both "versions" should be regarded the same - for example look at Twitter replies under a tweet about women's football or men's - people still think women shouldn't be playing football, or that we shouldn't be hearing about it - which is wrong, surely?

Why are you offended if someone calls you effeminate? Surely, it's an opinion, so it can't be "right or wrong"? What is it about being called effeminate that actually offends you - being labelled as something "wrong", or something else?
I made it quite clear why being called something that you aren't, has the potential to offend.
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(Original post by JessThomas6)
Seems like you've made your mind up, but to say we don't need feminism in the West is simply untrue. Look at abortion rights in places like Northern Ireland, domestic violence (both male and female victims, because feminists care about male victims), poor rape conviction rates, the idea (in law) of men not being able to be raped. Using your sports example - of course they should be separate, nobody is saying that they shouldn't be, but both "versions" should be regarded the same - for example look at Twitter replies under a tweet about women's football or men's - people still think women shouldn't be playing football, or that we shouldn't be hearing about it - which is wrong, surely?

Why are you offended if someone calls you effeminate? Surely, it's an opinion, so it can't be "right or wrong"? What is it about being called effeminate that actually offends you - being labelled as something "wrong", or something else?
Humanism cover all your points and personal I hate sport I never understand why top male/female are paid so much for kicking a ball. Humanist care about abortion but it is also the father's issue not just the mother. Most crime have a poor conviction rate because it very hard to get a conviction (I was the victim of a street robbery by two women they never got changed because not another evidence).
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(Original post by looloo2134)
Humanism cover all your points and personal I hate sport I never understand why top male/female are paid so much for kicking a ball. Humanist care about abortion but it is also the father's issue not just the mother. Most crime have a poor conviction rate because it very hard to get a conviction (I was the victim of a street robbery by two women they never got changed because not another evidence).
Top athletes are paid large amounts due to the vast audience that they attract and the subsequent revenue generated from it, especially for football which is what I assume you are referencing with,'kicking a ball'.Also, humanism is an egocentric and ironically careless philosophy in that it is centre around us and only us. However, you are quite correct in your recognition of low rates of prosecution. As of 25th January 2019, 92% of all offences in England and Wales do not even make it to court and a mere 8.2% of 5 million recorded crimes resulted in a prosecution which fell from 9.5% in 2018. Despite this, the point in question is with regard to the rates of prosecution for rape and related offences which is particularly hard to interpret as number or statistic. This is due to the act that we cannot distinguish between cause and causality for, "The charge or summons rate for rape fell to one in 65, or 1.5%, of all cases reported to the police in England and Wales in 2018/19, according to the latest figures published by the Home Office. The figure has dropped steeply since 2015/16, when one in seven, or 13.7%, of all cases resulted in a charge or summons." Whether this is due to an increase in cases that are fraudulent, insufficient in evidence or less judicial concern with regard to rape is almost impossible to determine. The latter, in my opinion, is extremely unlikely.
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Of course you can say you don't like being called effeminate in the same way that most of the girls in your class would no describe themselves as masculine.

But feminism isn't about making men and women the same. If is about equal rights e.g. equal opportunity and not being denied something on the basis of your gender. The pure form of feminism is equality and applied to everyone so I don't know why you wouldn't be a feminist unless you have an antiquated view that women should be home keepers whilst men should go to work and shag their secretaries.
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Of course you can say you don't like being called effeminate in the same way that most of the girls in your class would no describe themselves as masculine.

But feminism isn't about making men and women the same. If is about equal rights e.g. equal opportunity and not being denied something on the basis of your gender. The pure form of feminism is equality and applied to everyone so I don't know why you wouldn't be a feminist unless you have an antiquated view that women should be home keepers whilst men should go to work and shag their secretaries.
If you don't know why I won't align myself with modern interpretations of feminism, you are free to read it in my first paragraph. Also, "whilst men should go to work and shag their secretaries." definitely isn't the typical 'feminist' demonization and generalisation of all men as 'bad' now is it?
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