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A transgender does not change their gender, they change their sex. So why have we changed from using the term "transsexual" to trangender?

Gender and sex are different.
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because it has less syllables.
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Because that's what they want to be called and calling them something else is just pedantic and bloody-minded. Like imagine you opened up to someone and told them something very intimate and profoundly life-shaping and important, and their response was ''Well AcTcHuUyAlLY...''
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Your sex is the sum of your sexual organs both internal and external and your hormones.

Your gender is how you feel.

Sexual orientation is who you fancy and you identity is about how you dress and how others view you.

The wonderment of humans in the world and a relaxing of social convention is seeing people express themselves in a combination of all.
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Sex is biological, it's determined by your genes (XY vs XX, I'm excluding special cases here), you cannot choose or change it as of now.

Gender is more how you define yourself.

So there are transgenders, but no transexuals.
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Sex is biological, it's determined by your genes (XY vs XX, I'm excluding special cases here), you cannot choose or change it as of now.

Gender is more how you define yourself.
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So there are transgenders, but no transexuals.
Yes but if a person has surgery or whatever to give them female organs or whatever when they were a man they are surely now a transsexual as theyve changed thier biological features rather than a social construct
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It can be either really, but transsexual is a rather outdated term with a lot of stigma and porn connotations associated with it, so is generally not used

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Sex is biological, it's determined by your genes (XY vs XX, I'm excluding special cases here),
You can't just exclude ca. 2% of the population because they're inconvenient. Sex is not just chromosomes, we wouldn't consider someone with XY chromosomes but complete androgen insensitivity (and thus natally female) to be male (unless they were also trans). Generally sex refers to a combination of chromosomes, genitalia, gonads, hormonal profile and secondary characteristics like a prominent larynx or breasts - and of those, it's only chromosomes that surgery and medication can't change
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Yes but if a person has surgery or whatever to give them female organs or whatever when they were a man they are surely now a transsexual as theyve changed thier biological features rather than a social construct
No, they have changed whether or not they have a penis or a vagina, they have not changed their sex, they have not changed their sex genes.
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(Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
It can be either really, but transsexual is a rather outdated term with a lot of stigma and porn connotations associated with it, so is generally not used



You can't just exclude ca. 2% of the population because they're inconvenient. Sex is not just chromosomes, we wouldn't consider someone with XY chromosomes but complete androgen insensitivity (and thus natally female) to be male (unless they were also trans). Generally sex refers to a combination of chromosomes, genitalia, gonads, hormonal profile and secondary characteristics like a prominent larynx or breasts - and of those, it's only chromosomes that surgery and medication can't change
I'm not excluding them because they're inconvenient, I'm excluding them because they are anomalies, you can't expect to make a statement about sex whilst including cases that are mutations and hence don't fit the general population (in this case, humanity).
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Both make sense, but just aproach it from a differnt angle.

Trans - as a prefix means across, so you can look at it like:

Transexual - moving (across) sexes, via sugery etc.

Transgender - your gender is not alligned (across) from your sex.

Obviously there are cultural ties with transsexual that makes it less desirable.. but forgetting that I still prefer the term transgender. Its more inclusive.. transsexual only makes sense if you have or will move across the sexes.. but transgender just refers to the relationship, and doesn't put any implication or presumption on surgery.
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I'm not excluding them because they're inconvenient, I'm excluding them because they are anomalies, you can't expect to make a statement about sex whilst including cases that are mutations and hence don't fit the general population (in this case, humanity).
Fair dos. So are disabled people anomolies? Or people under the age 60 with cancer? Maybe you are the anomaly?
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(Original post by AdamCor)
Sex is biological, it's determined by your genes (XY vs XX, I'm excluding special cases here), you cannot choose or change it as of now.

Gender is more how you define yourself.

So there are transgenders, but no transexuals.
There are transexuals: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34290981
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their gender is different from their birth sex. hence...transgender
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I'm not excluding them because they're inconvenient, I'm excluding them because they are anomalies, you can't expect to make a statement about sex whilst including cases that are mutations and hence don't fit the general population (in this case, humanity).
Intersex people are about as common as ginger people, should we also ignore gingers as anomalies if talking about hair colour? Sex is not just chromosomes, in reality they're the least relevant aspect of sex, because sex is judged primarily by gonads and genitalia.
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Fair dos. So are disabled people anomolies? Or people under the age 60 with cancer? Maybe you are the anomaly?
Yes, disabled people whose sex matches the biological definition of human sexes with XY or XX chromosomes are an anomaly.
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There are transexuals: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34290981
I don't think this is exactly transexual, just a genetic condition where the Y chromosome doesn't express itself and cause a child to develop male genitalia properly.
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Intersex people are about as common as ginger people, should we also ignore gingers as anomalies if talking about hair colour? Sex is not just chromosomes, in reality they're the least relevant aspect of sex, because sex is judged primarily by gonads and genitalia.
I think you're confusing anomalies with the amount of anomalies present.
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I think you're confusing anomalies with the amount of anomalies present.
I'm saying that when an "anomaly" is actually pretty common, it's not actually an anomaly, and people only act as such because they're too wedded to a flawed understanding taught at KS3 level
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I'm saying that when an "anomaly" is actually pretty common, it's not actually an anomaly, and people only act as such because they're too wedded to a flawed understanding taught at KS3 level
So we should include these people to now redefine our definitions of sex vs gender, these very definitions we have upholded for thousands of years simply because people can't come to the realisation that them being born with both sets of genitalia or sex chromosomes is not normal in humans, or most other species?
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So we should include these people to now redefine our definitions of sex vs gender, these very definitions we have upholded for thousands of years simply because people can't come to the realisation that them being born with both sets of genitalia or sex chromosomes is not normal in humans, or most other species?
We should acknowledge that sex is a spectrum with bimodal distribution, not binary. Working on a binary harms the health of at least 2% of the population
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