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(Original post by MagnumKoishi)
A benevolent dictatorship is better than a democracy, yes.

But it's not something achievable
A benevolent dictatorship? So in other words your answer to the question was 'no'?
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(Original post by MagnumKoishi)
Of course it doesn't work in practice, hence why you'll see me say in my second post that a democracy is the only option that can work.

My point is that if in a hypothetical situation by some miracle, such a dictatorship that did perfectly work and give everyone what they wanted then I'd support it. I never tried to say its achievable
But thats of nonsense. If we're making miracle hypothetical situations then literally anything is going to be better than reality isn't it? How about we make up a miracle hypothetical government of pigeons? Your point is completely redundant.
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(Original post by Jjj90)
But thats of nonsense. If we're making miracle hypothetical situations then literally anything is going to be better than reality isn't it? How about we make up a miracle hypothetical government of pigeons? Your point is completely redundant.
This whole thread is a hypothetical situation and is redundant jesus. Yes, this thread is on the same level as "Would you live in a government of pigeons if...", and no one is trying to say it isn't. Is that a problem?

Just because something isn't possible doesn't mean it can't be fun to talk about the hypothetical possibilities
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(Original post by MagnumKoishi)
This whole thread is a hypothetical situation and is redundant jesus. Yes, this thread is on the same level as "Would you live in a government of pigeons if...", and no one is trying to say it isn't. Is that a problem?

Just because something isn't possible doesn't mean it can't be fun to talk about the hypothetical possibilities
Well thats where we disagree. The OP was asking if we could live under an authoritarian dictatorship, that is not a wild hypothetical because people actually do live under authoritarian regimes. The post is an interesting question, it was not "please describe a random hypothetical political scenario". Sorry.
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(Original post by Jjj90)
Well thats where we disagree. The OP was asking if we could live under an authoritarian dictatorship, that is not a wild hypothetical because people actually do live under authoritarian regimes. The post is an interesting question, it was not "please describe a random hypothetical political scenario". Sorry.
Ferrograd when you made this thread, were you ok to accept hypothetical scenarios such as my own? (my scenario was a benevolent dictatorship in which everyone had their wants and needs catered for, which has been established isn't possible in reality).

Or were you only wanting realistic scenarios in your discussion?
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A dictatorship is all well and good if you are in with the dictator.
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(Original post by MagnumKoishi)
Well then by definition it's not "benevolent" lol.

By benevolent I meant one that is good in every conceivable way
Except that it is unconcerned about the needs or wishes of the people. All dictators are benevolent to those who benefit from the corruption that costs the population.
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(Original post by Ferrograd)
... I don't mind some authoritarianism
such as?
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(Original post by Ferrograd)
...if your quality of life significantly improved, as well as other things like a strong economy etc.

I'm not saying I support anything, I'm just getting people's opinions. Democracy has its limits and these limits are evident with the Brexit problem.
Why have you linked it to Brexit?
What are the limits you talk about?
Its as much or more down to the individuals than any failings in democracy.
Care to give some examples of the best dictatorships in the world that are better than democracies?
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No, on the basis that the moment the dictatorship/authoritarian government ceased to be benevolent, there wouldn't be anything you could do. Putting your trust in authoritarianism leaves no recourse when power inevitably starts to cloud the judgement of your leaders. Tyranny concentrates power, and when the leader becomes corrupt or self-serving, the whole system falls apart. Democracy distributes power amongst many people and institutions, so the failings of a single person are less likely to bring the system crashing down. Churchill had it right when he said: "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others".
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Everybody living under a dictatorship loves that dictator. Any other sentiment apart from this one is punishable by imprisonment and torture.
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(Original post by Rakas21)
Those are arguments to amend the franchise, not embrace tyranny.

I am reminded of Star Wars Episode 3 in your views.. 'So this is how liberty dies, to thunderous applause'.
With* thunderous applause. Get your quotes right
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No. There are some situations where it's best to run things as a benevolent dictatorship, like the captain of a plane or commanders in a military unit giving orders, rather than putting everything to a vote. But running an entire government under that principle would be wrong, it would just be too much power and yes it would be abused.
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There is no dictatorship in the history of the world where peoples' quality of life has improved versus people not under dictatorship.
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There is no dictatorship in the history of the world where peoples' quality of life has improved versus people not under dictatorship.
The PRC and USSR would stand in opposition to that claim
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Everybody living under a dictatorship loves that dictator. Any other sentiment apart from this one is punishable by imprisonment and torture.
Or being chopped into little bits in the basement of their embassy..
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The PRC and USSR would stand in opposition to that claim
I would too, most people lived significantly better under the USSR than a lot of ex USSR countries. Moldova, Tajikistan, Kryzgstan, Uzbekistan are just a few examples of this. Modern day Russia is about on par with the USSR conditions
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(Original post by Napp)
The PRC and USSR would stand in opposition to that claim
Living standards got better in the USSR and PRC? Support your statement by evidence. The PRC admittedly have improved in QoL since the 1970s but that's when they took up a free market economy, or in the euphemism 'socialism with Chinese characteristics.' But I dont think the USSR counts as a dictatorship anyway, apart from under Stalin and China under Zedong and now under what's his name.
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Living standards got better in the USSR and PRC? Support your statement by evidence. The PRC admittedly have improved in QoL since the 1970s but that's when they took up a free market economy, or in the euphemism 'socialism with Chinese characteristics.' But I dont think the USSR counts as a dictatorship anyway, apart from under Stalin and China under Zedong and now under what's his name.
Anyone with even a basic grasp of history knows that living standards in the USSR and the PRC improved dramatically from their pre revolutionary days.
On a broader note though, most dictatorships do improve the quality of life for their citizens, if only marginally, hence why theyre able to stay in power for so long. It is only when they fail to keep up their end of the, i use this phrase loosely, 'social contract' that they tend to get strung up from the nearest lamppost. As examples please see all of the Middle East and most other dictatorships. With that being said of course it isnt a hard rule though when we look at cases like the DPRK although in fairness to that place living standards are creeping up, if only marginally.
True say on the latter comment though.
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(Original post by Napp)
Anyone with even a basic grasp of history knows that living standards in the USSR and the PRC improved dramatically from their pre revolutionary days.
On a broader note though, most dictatorships do improve the quality of life for their citizens, if only marginally, hence why theyre able to stay in power for so long. It is only when they fail to keep up their end of the, i use this phrase loosely, 'social contract' that they tend to get strung up from the nearest lamppost. As examples please see all of the Middle East and most other dictatorships. With that being said of course it isnt a hard rule though when we look at cases like the DPRK although in fairness to that place living standards are creeping up, if only marginally.
True say on the latter comment though.
There is absolutely no evidence that Russia or China improved after the establishment of communist rule. But the question is about dictatorship not communism.
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