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Political twitter says Tory MPs are furiously attacking Dominic Cummings. It will be interesting to see if Boris can pass the blame off on him. That is one of the reasons after all why he was hired.
To be honest, as much as i loathe Cummings, i respect him far more than this bunch of bounders and cads in the Tory party who have the temerity to say they speak for the good of the nation.
I mean as far as **** ups go (which ever side of brexit you fall on) the buck stopped with them their their abhorrent and self serving behaviour.
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Afaik he's the only PM in history to cancel Parliament because he has no workable majority to get anything through.
Untrue, he wanted a general election! Corbyn said he wanted one when the Benn bill passed, only to refuse anyway.

The 2017 labour manifesto was a dishonest document. The electorate needs a voice and I demand democracy to reconsider my vote, I keep getting told I didn't know what I was voting for. Well in 2017 I voted labour, on the promise of delivering brexit. I didn't vote for the machiavellian remain party they have proved to be.
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Time will tell if I'm correct or incorrect, I hope I'm incorrect and you are right but I don't think so at the moment.

Democracy is certainly not being served by the majority of parliament, that's unequivocally true. Borris is the only PM in history to be accused of shutting down democracy by asking for a general democratic election!

I'm no fan of borris but I fear huge implications of this ruling, it certainly does set a president and is possible to spiral, its bigger than leave, remain, labour, Tory political fights.
Whilst I agree that there is a growing trend in parliament to behave anti-democratically, on both sides of the political aisle, that is indeed an entirely different debate entirely disjoint from the ruling today.


Boris is accused of "shutting down democracy" through misuse of a legal procedure. Offering a general election does not change that. Moreover, the rest of the house is under no obligation to accept a general election, especially if they have suspicions that the PM (who is exceptionally and demonstrably sly, as confirmed by the verdict today) is misusing that facility to behave anti-democratically.

On your final point, 100% disagree. The courts only exist for one purpose, and they've served that perfectly well. This is well within the lines, while the PM's actions are certainly not. There's no reason to believe that the courts are even remotely going to transition away from that purpose in future.
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Lol

https://newsthump.com/2019/09/24/bor...CYwU6PodO98hrU
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Untrue, he wanted a general election! Corbyn said he wanted one when the Benn bill passed, only to refuse anyway.

The 2017 labour manifesto was a dishonest document. The electorate needs a voice and I demand democracy to reconsider my vote, I keep getting told I didn't know what I was voting for. Well in 2017 I voted labour, on the promise of delivering brexit. I didn't vote for the machiavellian remain party they have proved to be.
I agree that Corbyn is a hypocrite - today he calls for Boris to resign, but he blocked the chance of a general election. I'm no fan of the Jeremy as people who follow my posts regularly will know - but that doesn't mean it wasn't completely wrong to prorogue early. If Boris is to stagger on with a minority government, let that be acted out in the House and let us not be left with no Parliamentary democracy to scrutinise what he does. If he resigns, let a new government be formed.
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Tom Tugendhat (Con, Tonbridge and Malling) is already back in the chamber!
https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/sta...470464/photo/1

Looks like he's hoping for an early vote on Prorogation. :teehee:
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Larry has put himself forward for the PM job.
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This will just get him more votes in the next GE. The *******s in parliament have said they're gonna spend the extra time to debate about Brexit. Great use that is saying the past 3 years have been so productive.
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The newest Avenger, Justice Hale.

If she wasn't on the Supreme Court, she should be the next Queen and PM, though I'm sure Larry the Cat would be more than suitable compared to BJ


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Why was Lady Hale wearing a facehugger?
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I agree that Corbyn is a hypocrite - today he calls for Boris to resign, but he blocked the chance of a general election. I'm no fan of the Jeremy as people who follow my posts regularly will know - but that doesn't mean it wasn't completely wrong to prorogue early. If Boris is to stagger on with a minority government, let that be acted out in the House and let us not be left with no Parliamentary democracy to scrutinise what he does. If he resigns, let a new government be formed.
Blaming Corbyn/Labour is highly disingenuous. They opposed a GE because it was obvious that Johnson called for an election for the sole reason of preventing Parliament from discussing his policy.

People should be get their heads out of the Brexit shaped backsides on this. This ruling is far bigger than that and represents a significant change to how the British constitution is protected.

Had the Supreme Court ruled in favour of the government they would have essentially ruled that:
-A PM has no obligation to be honest about his intentions, either to the Queen, Parlaiment or the wider population.
-A PM doesn't need to provide a good reason to suspend Parliament or justification for the length of that suspension.

If you cannot see that democracy is significantly damaged by that you need a reality check...
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No, you say that. Again my point is stop trying to lump everyone in with your train of thought especially when simple maths says you are wrong on every single count. Strangely enough people who dont vote or voted the other way do not suddenly lose their status as people or their right to have their opinions heard.
'PM' Johnson most certainly does not have the will of the people. He was neither elected nor has a majority.
The Government who has the mandate is trying to deliver the will of the people. 52% voted for Brexit, so there was a majority. I don't understand your argument against the will of the people.
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Blaming Corbyn/Labour is highly disingenuous. They opposed a GE because it was obvious that Johnson called for an election for the sole reason of preventing Parliament from discussing his policy.

People should be get their heads out of the Brexit shaped backsides on this. This ruling is far bigger than that and represents a significant change to how the British constitution is protected.

Had the Supreme Court ruled in favour of the government they would have essentially ruled that:
-A PM has no obligation to be honest about his intentions, either to the Queen, Parlaiment or the wider population.
-A PM doesn't need to provide a good reason to suspend Parliament or justification for the length of that suspension.

If you cannot see that democracy is significantly damaged by that you need a reality check...
You seem to have misunderstood her point. She does not seem to be opposed to today's ruling.


I agree with you that voting against the GE was reasonable given the context of who the PM is, but that does not mean that blocking the GE is above scrutiny - there could well be some element that Labour are not ready to pick up the reigns in this mess. We must keep an open mind to the flaws of both sides.
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(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
I agree that Corbyn is a hypocrite - today he calls for Boris to resign, but he blocked the chance of a general election. I'm no fan of the Jeremy as people who follow my posts regularly will know - but that doesn't mean it wasn't completely wrong to prorogue early. If Boris is to stagger on with a minority government, let that be acted out in the House and let us not be left with no Parliamentary democracy to scrutinise what he does. If he resigns, let a new government be formed.
The 2017 elected parliamentarians have failed the country, remainers stood on brexit manifestos to get elected.

I can hardly believe I'm saying this but I support Borris Johnson, all he is trying to do is deliver brexit. Any hope of a deal different to May's deal is now been scuppered by parliament, companies will continue to shut and relocate due to brexit uncertainty for the foreseeable future, remainer parliamentarians who have caused it will carelessly blame the government whom they have made powerless and made sure they remain powerless.

I'm sorry to say this is starting to look bad, really bad, I don't see anyway out of this mess. Revoke doesn't come free, a deal is now next too impossible and no deal is illegal.

We are stuck and with this legal intervention, whom don't like the reasons for a legal decision, the already heavily bombed and mined political battleground just got a whole lot more dangerous and uncertain.

Sorry surprises I genuinely hope I'm wrong but I think this is not a decision to celebrate.
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The Government who has the mandate is trying to deliver the will of the people. 52% voted for Brexit, so there was a majority. I don't understand your argument against the will of the people.
But it's not really the 'will of the people'. I am all for respecting the result of the referendum - I vehemently believe we should leave (even though I'm a remainer) as it'd be terrible for our democracy. 48% of those who voted, voted to remain. To say it's the will of the people is nonsense.
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You seem to have misunderstood her point. She does not seem to be opposed to today's ruling.


I agree with you that voting against the GE was reasonable given the context of who the PM is, but that does not mean that blocking the GE is above scrutiny - there could well be some element that Labour are not ready to pick up the reigns in this mess. We must keep an open mind to the flaws of both sides.
The PM has acted with total disregard for the law, Parliament and hence, the general population yet for some reason people are sat here throwing shade at Corbyn... it makes no ****ing sense.

Of course both sides should have their decisions scrutinised but not voting for a GE has been well and truly vindicated as it has become more and more obvious what BoJo's intentions were/are.
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the best news for labour is this makes their infighting and messy.conference look like a very competant alternative.. if what they are compared to is the mess of the current goverment.

borris only.has 1 path.left.. but i think he will be to stubborn to accept it. if he has any chance at surviving he needs to get with farage as soon as possible. his moderate voters are gone now. all of mynoderate tory friends were going lib dem.. and this will certainly push more over the edge. the only hope he has is to hold fast until an election.. work with farage, and hope that the 30 odd % of hard brexiteers who will still side with him against the court is enough to beat a potentially split remain vote.

i dont think he will do it.. hesvto proud. he will loose
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the best news for labour is this makes their infighting and messy.conference look like a very competant alternative.. if what they are compared to is the mess of the current goverment.

borris only.has 1 path.left.. but i think he will be to stubborn to accept it. if he has any chance at surviving he needs to get with farage as soon as possible. his moderate voters are gone now. all of mynoderate tory friends were going lib dem.. and this will certainly push more over the edge. the only hope he has is to hold fast until an election.. work with farage, and hope that the 30 odd % of hard brexiteers who will still side with him against the court is enough to beat a potentially split remain vote.

i dont think he will do it.. hesvto proud. he will loose
Good points, I don't think he's toast just yet though. I also don't see labour winning power.

But at the moment who the hell knows what will happen
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The PM has acted with total disregard for the law, Parliament and hence, the general population yet for some reason people are sat here throwing shade at Corbyn... it makes no ****ing sense.

Of course both sides should have their decisions scrutinised but not voting for a GE has been well and truly vindicated as it has become more and more obvious what BoJo's intentions were/are.
There's no shortage of heavy criticism for Boris in light of his actions in recent months, and indeed the ruling today. I'm sure it will continue, and rightfully so. You'll get no disagreement from me there, but I do disagree that we should simply take our eyes off Corbyn to focus on Boris.


He's still the leader of the opposition. It's not impossible that he can become our next PM, sooner than we might think, and of course we should not lose sight of that here.

What a mess.
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Blaming Corbyn/Labour is highly disingenuous. They opposed a GE because it was obvious that Johnson called for an election for the sole reason of preventing Parliament from discussing his policy.

People should be get their heads out of the Brexit shaped backsides on this. This ruling is far bigger than that and represents a significant change to how the British constitution is protected.

Had the Supreme Court ruled in favour of the government they would have essentially ruled that:
-A PM has no obligation to be honest about his intentions, either to the Queen, Parlaiment or the wider population.
-A PM doesn't need to provide a good reason to suspend Parliament or justification for the length of that suspension.

If you cannot see that democracy is significantly damaged by that you need a reality check...
If you think Fullofsurprises has a brexit shaped backside then it's you who needs the reality check.

I'm a former member of labour and a passionate socialist, sorry but the current Brexit mess is the fault of remainer parliamentarians and a large percentage of them are on the labour benches.
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